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Attributes | |
ACN | 423675 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : roc |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : yyc.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 423673 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ATIS reported braking action as fair the first 2/3 and poor the last 1/3 of the runway. The so commented on the braking action report. The same braking action report as on ATIS was given to us, therefore the captain and I did not comment further. The same braking action report was again give to us by tower and confirmed by a preceding B727 which had landed ahead of us. He drifted high on the GS at 300-200 ft as we received aberrant GS deviations. It is my belief that the captain followed the guidance cue west the HUD which forced him high on the GS. We touched down 2500-3000 ft down the 8000 ft runway. The captain went into normal or average reverse thrust. He did not use more than normal braking. I believe that the captain underestimated the poor braking action report and should have used more of a maximum effort braking in those conditions. He may also have neglected the fact that our anti-skid system only provides protection above 15 KTS. These factors, along with the long landing, did not enable him to stop before turning on snow covered ice. Supplemental information from acn 423673: the captain did not treat the whole runway as poor and landed too long. We had previously had some power struggles with him, so tension among the crew was high.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727-100 ACFT, LNDG AT ROC, DEPARTED THE RWY SURFACE AFTER A LONG LNDG WITH RPTED POOR BRAKING.
Narrative: ATIS RPTED BRAKING ACTION AS FAIR THE FIRST 2/3 AND POOR THE LAST 1/3 OF THE RWY. THE SO COMMENTED ON THE BRAKING ACTION RPT. THE SAME BRAKING ACTION RPT AS ON ATIS WAS GIVEN TO US, THEREFORE THE CAPT AND I DID NOT COMMENT FURTHER. THE SAME BRAKING ACTION RPT WAS AGAIN GIVE TO US BY TWR AND CONFIRMED BY A PRECEDING B727 WHICH HAD LANDED AHEAD OF US. HE DRIFTED HIGH ON THE GS AT 300-200 FT AS WE RECEIVED ABERRANT GS DEVS. IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE CAPT FOLLOWED THE GUIDANCE CUE W THE HUD WHICH FORCED HIM HIGH ON THE GS. WE TOUCHED DOWN 2500-3000 FT DOWN THE 8000 FT RWY. THE CAPT WENT INTO NORMAL OR AVERAGE REVERSE THRUST. HE DID NOT USE MORE THAN NORMAL BRAKING. I BELIEVE THAT THE CAPT UNDERESTIMATED THE POOR BRAKING ACTION RPT AND SHOULD HAVE USED MORE OF A MAX EFFORT BRAKING IN THOSE CONDITIONS. HE MAY ALSO HAVE NEGLECTED THE FACT THAT OUR ANTI-SKID SYS ONLY PROVIDES PROTECTION ABOVE 15 KTS. THESE FACTORS, ALONG WITH THE LONG LNDG, DID NOT ENABLE HIM TO STOP BEFORE TURNING ON SNOW COVERED ICE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 423673: THE CAPT DID NOT TREAT THE WHOLE RWY AS POOR AND LANDED TOO LONG. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD SOME PWR STRUGGLES WITH HIM, SO TENSION AMONG THE CREW WAS HIGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.