B757 crew concerned about ground personnel's lack of adherence to deice procedure at phl.

Attributes
ACN	423817
Time
Date	199812
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : phl
State Reference	PA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
ASRS Report	423817
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

During pushout at phl we required deicing for light frost on the wings. The deicing crew did not check in prior to deicing the aircraft. After deicing, they did not check in to verify type of deicing fluid or anything per our procedures. I visually checked that the frost was gone looking out the cabin windows and felt that we were safe to go. While this was not standard procedure, I felt we were ok for flight. My primary concern, however, is the total lack of adherence to deice procedures at that station. Phl deicing personnel need to be reminded of the necessity of adherence to procedures.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B757 CREW CONCERNED ABOUT GND PERSONNEL'S LACK OF ADHERENCE TO DEICE PROC AT PHL.

Narrative: DURING PUSHOUT AT PHL WE REQUIRED DEICING FOR LIGHT FROST ON THE WINGS. THE DEICING CREW DID NOT CHK IN PRIOR TO DEICING THE ACFT. AFTER DEICING, THEY DID NOT CHK IN TO VERIFY TYPE OF DEICING FLUID OR ANYTHING PER OUR PROCS. I VISUALLY CHKED THAT THE FROST WAS GONE LOOKING OUT THE CABIN WINDOWS AND FELT THAT WE WERE SAFE TO GO. WHILE THIS WAS NOT STANDARD PROC, I FELT WE WERE OK FOR FLT. MY PRIMARY CONCERN, HOWEVER, IS THE TOTAL LACK OF ADHERENCE TO DEICE PROCS AT THAT STATION. PHL DEICING PERSONNEL NEED TO BE REMINDED OF THE NECESSITY OF ADHERENCE TO PROCS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.