37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 424590 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lhc |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bna |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 424590 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On vectors to intercept the brigham city 1 arrival, center gave us clearance to cross cartr intersection at 15000 ft. When I asked why clearance was 15000 ft vice 16000 ft as listed on STAR for south operations, they said it had been changed months ago. Had it really, or had the controllers just decided to change it without reporting to commercial chart company. Both the first officer's and my arrival plates were dated jul/xa/98. Lack of follow through negates the advantages of having a STAR. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised this situation has happened a couple times before. When ATC was questioned, he was advised that a NOTAM had been sent changing the 'expect' crossing restr of cartr intersection from 16000 ft to 15000 ft. The reporter was not able to find the effected NOTAM through the company at the time. Analyst called a primary commercial charting company to determine if they had received any recent changes for the brigham city 1 STAR. They had a proposed change to be effective in the next charting cycle, apr/99. Analyst called a ZLC specialist to determine if they had sent in a STAR change for the brigham city 1 STAR. He advised that a NOTAM had been effective in jan/99 changing cartr intersection from 16000 ft to 15000 ft. The DOD pubs would reflect the 'expect' altitude change in the apr/99 charting cycle update.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR B727 PIC CONCERNED WHEN ZLC CTLR ASSIGNED 15000 FT WITH AN EXPECTED STAR INTXN XING RESTR OF 16000 FT. WHEN QUESTIONED, CTLR ADVISES STAR ALT CHANGE OF 'MONTHS AGO.'
Narrative: ON VECTORS TO INTERCEPT THE BRIGHAM CITY 1 ARR, CTR GAVE US CLRNC TO CROSS CARTR INTXN AT 15000 FT. WHEN I ASKED WHY CLRNC WAS 15000 FT VICE 16000 FT AS LISTED ON STAR FOR S OPS, THEY SAID IT HAD BEEN CHANGED MONTHS AGO. HAD IT REALLY, OR HAD THE CTLRS JUST DECIDED TO CHANGE IT WITHOUT RPTING TO COMMERCIAL CHART COMPANY. BOTH THE FO'S AND MY ARR PLATES WERE DATED JUL/XA/98. LACK OF FOLLOW THROUGH NEGATES THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING A STAR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THIS SIT HAS HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE. WHEN ATC WAS QUESTIONED, HE WAS ADVISED THAT A NOTAM HAD BEEN SENT CHANGING THE 'EXPECT' XING RESTR OF CARTR INTXN FROM 16000 FT TO 15000 FT. THE RPTR WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND THE EFFECTED NOTAM THROUGH THE COMPANY AT THE TIME. ANALYST CALLED A PRIMARY COMMERCIAL CHARTING COMPANY TO DETERMINE IF THEY HAD RECEIVED ANY RECENT CHANGES FOR THE BRIGHAM CITY 1 STAR. THEY HAD A PROPOSED CHANGE TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THE NEXT CHARTING CYCLE, APR/99. ANALYST CALLED A ZLC SPECIALIST TO DETERMINE IF THEY HAD SENT IN A STAR CHANGE FOR THE BRIGHAM CITY 1 STAR. HE ADVISED THAT A NOTAM HAD BEEN EFFECTIVE IN JAN/99 CHANGING CARTR INTXN FROM 16000 FT TO 15000 FT. THE DOD PUBS WOULD REFLECT THE 'EXPECT' ALT CHANGE IN THE APR/99 CHARTING CYCLE UPDATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.