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Attributes | |
ACN | 426961 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pxr airport : phx |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bhm |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 235 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 426961 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 750 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While on descent from 9000 ft to 7000 ft MSL at approximately 30 mi northeast of pxr VOR, on ATC approach control vector 180 degree assigned heading, the captain (PNF) noted pop-up traffic on the TCASII display (IMC prevailed). Traffic range was 2-3 mi at 12 O'clock position and 500 ft lower (traffic was possibly in level cruise). We were descending at 1000 FPM. I asked the PF (first officer) to take appropriate action to avoid traffic conflict. The first officer then added power and leveled off the descent. Approximately 3 seconds later, with traffic on TCASII now at our altitude, the TCASII gave a resolution alert to climb at 1500 FPM. The first officer again added power and climbed above the traffic. I advised ATC of the resolution alert. And the climb to avoid conflict. The approach controller seemed unconcerned with our traffic near miss in IMC, stating only 'the traffic had just appeared on his radar scope.' I am concerned with phx approach control's treatment of turboprop commuter aircraft as second class citizens. Why were we vectored off of the arrival (fossil 4) at an altitude and position clear of class B airspace? This is a very common practice in phx airspace. This poor procedure is utilized to create spacing between turboprop and jet arrival traffic. It must stop for collision avoidance safety reasons. How is it possible for another aircraft to be in our airspace in IMC and not be under ATC control? In 11000 hours of flight time I have never responded to an RA. I now know that TCASII is indeed the pilot's best friend when in IMC traffic near miss sits. Thank you for a valuable piece of equipment.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DH8 CREW HAD LESS THAN LEGAL SEPARATION FROM UNKNOWN ACFT AT PHX.
Narrative: WHILE ON DSCNT FROM 9000 FT TO 7000 FT MSL AT APPROX 30 MI NE OF PXR VOR, ON ATC APCH CTL VECTOR 180 DEG ASSIGNED HDG, THE CAPT (PNF) NOTED POP-UP TFC ON THE TCASII DISPLAY (IMC PREVAILED). TFC RANGE WAS 2-3 MI AT 12 O'CLOCK POS AND 500 FT LOWER (TFC WAS POSSIBLY IN LEVEL CRUISE). WE WERE DSNDING AT 1000 FPM. I ASKED THE PF (FO) TO TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION TO AVOID TFC CONFLICT. THE FO THEN ADDED PWR AND LEVELED OFF THE DSCNT. APPROX 3 SECONDS LATER, WITH TFC ON TCASII NOW AT OUR ALT, THE TCASII GAVE A RESOLUTION ALERT TO CLB AT 1500 FPM. THE FO AGAIN ADDED PWR AND CLBED ABOVE THE TFC. I ADVISED ATC OF THE RESOLUTION ALERT. AND THE CLB TO AVOID CONFLICT. THE APCH CTLR SEEMED UNCONCERNED WITH OUR TFC NEAR MISS IN IMC, STATING ONLY 'THE TFC HAD JUST APPEARED ON HIS RADAR SCOPE.' I AM CONCERNED WITH PHX APCH CTL'S TREATMENT OF TURBOPROP COMMUTER ACFT AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. WHY WERE WE VECTORED OFF OF THE ARR (FOSSIL 4) AT AN ALT AND POS CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE? THIS IS A VERY COMMON PRACTICE IN PHX AIRSPACE. THIS POOR PROC IS UTILIZED TO CREATE SPACING BTWN TURBOPROP AND JET ARR TFC. IT MUST STOP FOR COLLISION AVOIDANCE SAFETY REASONS. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ANOTHER ACFT TO BE IN OUR AIRSPACE IN IMC AND NOT BE UNDER ATC CTL? IN 11000 HRS OF FLT TIME I HAVE NEVER RESPONDED TO AN RA. I NOW KNOW THAT TCASII IS INDEED THE PLT'S BEST FRIEND WHEN IN IMC TFC NEAR MISS SITS. THANK YOU FOR A VALUABLE PIECE OF EQUIP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.