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Attributes | |
ACN | 427233 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 17500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 16800 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 427233 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We (X) had been cleared to 17000 ft. As we climbed through 16000 ft, the controller called 'traffic at 1 O'clock position, 8 mi, sbound, will be 1000 ft above your altitude, maintain FL180.' we acknowledged looking for the traffic, maintain FL180. He then issued us as traffic to the other aircraft (Y) and told them we would be 1000 ft below their altitude. As we climbed through 17300 ft the controller told us to maintain 17000 ft, that our traffic was at 18000 ft. I immediately disengaged the autoplt and began a descent, but we reached 17500 ft before starting back down. At this point the traffic was within 5 mi, however they passed behind us after we were level at 17000 ft. Our TCASII never issued an RA, however it did give us a heads up on the traffic. We were going to verify the clearance when center called. In issuing the traffic, center did not give our altitudes, just '1000 ft above and 1000 ft below.' center later asked if we had exceeded 17000 ft as they had a discrepancy with our altitude. It looked to us like a controller error, however if a clearance is not clear in the future, I'll verify it immediately.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZID EXCHANGES TFC BTWN E145 AND OTHER IFR ENRTE ACFT. CTLR ISSUES ALT CHANGE TO E145 THAT CONFLICTS WITH ENRTE TFC. CTLR OBSERVES CONFLICT, ATTEMPTS TO CORRECT CONFLICT, BUT APPEARS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN LEGAL SEPARATION.
Narrative: WE (X) HAD BEEN CLRED TO 17000 FT. AS WE CLBED THROUGH 16000 FT, THE CTLR CALLED 'TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS, 8 MI, SBOUND, WILL BE 1000 FT ABOVE YOUR ALT, MAINTAIN FL180.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED LOOKING FOR THE TFC, MAINTAIN FL180. HE THEN ISSUED US AS TFC TO THE OTHER ACFT (Y) AND TOLD THEM WE WOULD BE 1000 FT BELOW THEIR ALT. AS WE CLBED THROUGH 17300 FT THE CTLR TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 17000 FT, THAT OUR TFC WAS AT 18000 FT. I IMMEDIATELY DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT AND BEGAN A DSCNT, BUT WE REACHED 17500 FT BEFORE STARTING BACK DOWN. AT THIS POINT THE TFC WAS WITHIN 5 MI, HOWEVER THEY PASSED BEHIND US AFTER WE WERE LEVEL AT 17000 FT. OUR TCASII NEVER ISSUED AN RA, HOWEVER IT DID GIVE US A HEADS UP ON THE TFC. WE WERE GOING TO VERIFY THE CLRNC WHEN CTR CALLED. IN ISSUING THE TFC, CTR DID NOT GIVE OUR ALTS, JUST '1000 FT ABOVE AND 1000 FT BELOW.' CTR LATER ASKED IF WE HAD EXCEEDED 17000 FT AS THEY HAD A DISCREPANCY WITH OUR ALT. IT LOOKED TO US LIKE A CTLR ERROR, HOWEVER IF A CLRNC IS NOT CLR IN THE FUTURE, I'LL VERIFY IT IMMEDIATELY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.