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Attributes | |
ACN | 391375 |
Time | |
Date | 199801 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : byp airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 14500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Caravan 1 208A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 6 flight time total : 200 |
ASRS Report | 391375 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1850 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 391401 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I've sent in enough of these and other complaints, you know what happened, nga X continues to knowingly climb on the BYP2 arrival. He was informed of the traffic and caused a TCASII RA by air carrier Y. I thought they were going to collide. This has been ongoing since oct/xx/96, when the arrival was moved over the jump zone. I don't care who is to blame at this point. What I want is not to have to worry about an air carrier scattering its passenger all over east texas. I'm sick of the 'non-action' the FAA has taken on this problem. I also want to know why these jump plane pilots still have a license? They are operating in a reckless manner and endanger the lives of their customers as well as those inbound to dfw. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter claims that targets merged in this incident. He also stated that there are no plans to move the published arrival at this time. Jump activity is heaviest on weekends when WX permits. He estimated that each jump aircraft will make 20-30 jumps a day with 2-3 aircraft involved. The workload and stress level is greatly increased during these periods. The jump aircraft normally stay within 7 mi of the jump airport, depending on the wind, which generally puts the aircraft right in the path of arriving traffic into dfw. Jump aircraft usually climb to either 11500 ft or 14500 ft before releasing jumpers. Reporter also stated that the jump airport is located approximately 1 1/2 mi from the arrival route. Supplemental information from acn 391366: location: byp 219 degrees/7 NM. We were on the bonham arrival to dfw cleared by ZFW to cross karla at 11000 ft. There was a cessna caravan parachute drop aircraft climbing to his drop altitude and we were advised by ZFW to stop our descent at 14000 ft. Shortly after turning onto the 219 degree radial we received a TCASII RA to descend. Also ZFW had advised us that the aircraft was at our 12 O'clock position approaching our altitude. Just as we began our descent we picked up the aircraft visually. I estimate we passed approximately 1/2 mi laterally and 500 ft vertically from the cessna. We descended to about 13600 ft before returning to 14000 ft. Supplemental information from acn 391401: I was flying a C208 skydive aircraft, climbing through 14000 ft. Center reported an MD80 was descending to 11000 ft and at my 10 O'clock position, 5 mi. I had a visual on the MD80 and reported that I was above him at his 12 O'clock position at which that time I was at 14500 ft. Once the MD80 passed behind me and below me, center notified the MD80 that he could file a NASA report. I feel there was no event needing this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC RADAR CTLR EXCHANGES TFC BTWN A JUMP ACFT IN A CLB AND AN ARRIVING MD80 ON THE BONHAM TWO ARR DSNDING TO 11000 FT. THE CTLR ISSUED A REVISED ALT OF 14000 FT TO THE MD80 TO AVOID THE JUMP ACFT, HOWEVER, THE JUMP ACFT CONTINUED CLBING TO 14500 FT. BOTH ACFT HAD EACH OTHER IN SIGHT. THE MD80 RECEIVED A TCASII RA AND DSNDED BELOW 14000 FT.
Narrative: I'VE SENT IN ENOUGH OF THESE AND OTHER COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, NGA X CONTINUES TO KNOWINGLY CLB ON THE BYP2 ARR. HE WAS INFORMED OF THE TFC AND CAUSED A TCASII RA BY ACR Y. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO COLLIDE. THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE OCT/XX/96, WHEN THE ARR WAS MOVED OVER THE JUMP ZONE. I DON'T CARE WHO IS TO BLAME AT THIS POINT. WHAT I WANT IS NOT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AN ACR SCATTERING ITS PAX ALL OVER EAST TEXAS. I'M SICK OF THE 'NON-ACTION' THE FAA HAS TAKEN ON THIS PROB. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE JUMP PLANE PLTS STILL HAVE A LICENSE? THEY ARE OPERATING IN A RECKLESS MANNER AND ENDANGER THE LIVES OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS THOSE INBOUND TO DFW. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR CLAIMS THAT TARGETS MERGED IN THIS INCIDENT. HE ALSO STATED THAT THERE ARE NO PLANS TO MOVE THE PUBLISHED ARR AT THIS TIME. JUMP ACTIVITY IS HEAVIEST ON WEEKENDS WHEN WX PERMITS. HE ESTIMATED THAT EACH JUMP ACFT WILL MAKE 20-30 JUMPS A DAY WITH 2-3 ACFT INVOLVED. THE WORKLOAD AND STRESS LEVEL IS GREATLY INCREASED DURING THESE PERIODS. THE JUMP ACFT NORMALLY STAY WITHIN 7 MI OF THE JUMP ARPT, DEPENDING ON THE WIND, WHICH GENERALLY PUTS THE ACFT RIGHT IN THE PATH OF ARRIVING TFC INTO DFW. JUMP ACFT USUALLY CLB TO EITHER 11500 FT OR 14500 FT BEFORE RELEASING JUMPERS. RPTR ALSO STATED THAT THE JUMP ARPT IS LOCATED APPROX 1 1/2 MI FROM THE ARR RTE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 391366: LOCATION: BYP 219 DEGS/7 NM. WE WERE ON THE BONHAM ARR TO DFW CLRED BY ZFW TO CROSS KARLA AT 11000 FT. THERE WAS A CESSNA CARAVAN PARACHUTE DROP ACFT CLBING TO HIS DROP ALT AND WE WERE ADVISED BY ZFW TO STOP OUR DSCNT AT 14000 FT. SHORTLY AFTER TURNING ONTO THE 219 DEG RADIAL WE RECEIVED A TCASII RA TO DSND. ALSO ZFW HAD ADVISED US THAT THE ACFT WAS AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS APCHING OUR ALT. JUST AS WE BEGAN OUR DSCNT WE PICKED UP THE ACFT VISUALLY. I ESTIMATE WE PASSED APPROX 1/2 MI LATERALLY AND 500 FT VERTLY FROM THE CESSNA. WE DSNDED TO ABOUT 13600 FT BEFORE RETURNING TO 14000 FT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 391401: I WAS FLYING A C208 SKYDIVE ACFT, CLBING THROUGH 14000 FT. CTR RPTED AN MD80 WAS DSNDING TO 11000 FT AND AT MY 10 O'CLOCK POS, 5 MI. I HAD A VISUAL ON THE MD80 AND RPTED THAT I WAS ABOVE HIM AT HIS 12 O'CLOCK POS AT WHICH THAT TIME I WAS AT 14500 FT. ONCE THE MD80 PASSED BEHIND ME AND BELOW ME, CTR NOTIFIED THE MD80 THAT HE COULD FILE A NASA RPT. I FEEL THERE WAS NO EVENT NEEDING THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.