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Attributes | |
ACN | 429299 |
Time | |
Date | 199902 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oxr.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc tracon : ntd.tracon tower : oxr.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream II |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 429299 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : military controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
I was flying as PIC, on a gii, landing at oxr. As we approached from the north, ZLA was very busy and left us high. We were switched to point mugu approach at this time. Mugu had us fly a 160 degree heading to lose altitude and traffic. At this time we were 5 mi to the southwest of oxr. They then turned us to a 100 degree heading and asked if we had the oxr airport in sight. At this time we were 5 mi south of the airport, which we reported to mugu approach. They then cleared us for the visual approach to runway 25. As we contacted the tower, oxr tower advised us that we might have to continue eastbound for traffic, which we did. At this time we were 4.5 mi to the southeast turning base. The tower advised us that radar had called them, and that we were 5 mi southeast, do we have the correct airport in sight. As I continued to turn base to final, we were directly over the camarillo airport at 2000 ft and descending, turning wbound for oxr runway 25. As we finished our turn I could barely pick up the approach end of runway 25 (due to smoke from fires burning in fields on the ground). I tracked the localizer and GS in and made a normal landing. I estimated the visibility east of oxr to be 2-3 mi due to the smoke. Taxiing in, we were advised to call point mugu approach, which I did. I talked with the supervisor. She just wanted to know if we had the right airport in sight. I advised her that we did and that oxr tower wanted us to extend our downwind, which she didn't know about. I advised her the visibility to the east of oxr was 2-3 mi and almost lost the approach end of runway 25. I recommend that any time oxr is on runway 25, with the farmers burning their fields, that I request an ILS runway 25 instead of the visual. I asked if a NASA form would be in my best interest, but she said not at all. She just wanted to make sure we had the correct airport. I would recommend putting a notation on the plates about oxr and cma airports' alignment and distance from each other during low visibility (both have displaced thresholds and are close in runway length.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PIC OF GLF2, WHEN INSTRUCTED TO EXTEND DOWNWIND BY OXR TWR, ENCOUNTERS AGRICULTURE BURNING SMOKE, WHICH REDUCED FLT VISIBILITY, AND BRINGS QUESTIONS FROM NTD TRACON ON WHETHER THE ACFT HAS THE CORRECT ARPT IN SIGHT. PIC TALKS WITH NTD ABOUT SIT.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING AS PIC, ON A GII, LNDG AT OXR. AS WE APCHED FROM THE N, ZLA WAS VERY BUSY AND LEFT US HIGH. WE WERE SWITCHED TO POINT MUGU APCH AT THIS TIME. MUGU HAD US FLY A 160 DEG HDG TO LOSE ALT AND TFC. AT THIS TIME WE WERE 5 MI TO THE SW OF OXR. THEY THEN TURNED US TO A 100 DEG HDG AND ASKED IF WE HAD THE OXR ARPT IN SIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE WERE 5 MI S OF THE ARPT, WHICH WE RPTED TO MUGU APCH. THEY THEN CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25. AS WE CONTACTED THE TWR, OXR TWR ADVISED US THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONTINUE EBOUND FOR TFC, WHICH WE DID. AT THIS TIME WE WERE 4.5 MI TO THE SE TURNING BASE. THE TWR ADVISED US THAT RADAR HAD CALLED THEM, AND THAT WE WERE 5 MI SE, DO WE HAVE THE CORRECT ARPT IN SIGHT. AS I CONTINUED TO TURN BASE TO FINAL, WE WERE DIRECTLY OVER THE CAMARILLO ARPT AT 2000 FT AND DSNDING, TURNING WBOUND FOR OXR RWY 25. AS WE FINISHED OUR TURN I COULD BARELY PICK UP THE APCH END OF RWY 25 (DUE TO SMOKE FROM FIRES BURNING IN FIELDS ON THE GND). I TRACKED THE LOC AND GS IN AND MADE A NORMAL LNDG. I ESTIMATED THE VISIBILITY E OF OXR TO BE 2-3 MI DUE TO THE SMOKE. TAXIING IN, WE WERE ADVISED TO CALL POINT MUGU APCH, WHICH I DID. I TALKED WITH THE SUPVR. SHE JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE HAD THE RIGHT ARPT IN SIGHT. I ADVISED HER THAT WE DID AND THAT OXR TWR WANTED US TO EXTEND OUR DOWNWIND, WHICH SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. I ADVISED HER THE VISIBILITY TO THE E OF OXR WAS 2-3 MI AND ALMOST LOST THE APCH END OF RWY 25. I RECOMMEND THAT ANY TIME OXR IS ON RWY 25, WITH THE FARMERS BURNING THEIR FIELDS, THAT I REQUEST AN ILS RWY 25 INSTEAD OF THE VISUAL. I ASKED IF A NASA FORM WOULD BE IN MY BEST INTEREST, BUT SHE SAID NOT AT ALL. SHE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE CORRECT ARPT. I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING A NOTATION ON THE PLATES ABOUT OXR AND CMA ARPTS' ALIGNMENT AND DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER DURING LOW VISIBILITY (BOTH HAVE DISPLACED THRESHOLDS AND ARE CLOSE IN RWY LENGTH.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.