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Attributes | |
ACN | 440270 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : rsw.vortac |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc tower : sfo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Xingu EMB-121 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : minee 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 440270 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On the minee 3 arrival into mco, we had begun a descent from FL200 to 16000 ft. The captain was involved in a lengthy discussion about fishing and he was the pilot flying. We were given instructions to cross moans at 10000 ft (83 DME 030 degree radial). I acknowledged this and as we passed through 15000 ft. I noticed that our descent rate (about 1700 FPM) would not allow us to meet the crossing. I should have spoken up immediately but I was hoping the captain would notice in the next 30 seconds. He did, and by the time he corrected the descent rate we crossed moans at about 11000 ft (or about 2-3 mi past moans at 10000 ft). The controller said 'verify 10000 ft' as we were leveling and I acknowledged this and in a normal tone of voice he turned us over to approach control. There was no other mode C traffic in the area. I felt that my hesitation to speak up was a problem that was compounded by a captain who had to be corrected quite a bit. I didn't want to be a nag. Also, 3 days of XA00-XA30 morning report times had worn me down a bit as well. Next time, I will be more aware of my own physical fatigue and mental assertiveness when I'm on any trip. Even though I had reasonable situational awareness it meant nothing without a willingness to speak up.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB120 DOES NOT MEET ALT XING RESTR DSNDING INTO MCO.
Narrative: ON THE MINEE 3 ARR INTO MCO, WE HAD BEGUN A DSCNT FROM FL200 TO 16000 FT. THE CAPT WAS INVOLVED IN A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT FISHING AND HE WAS THE PLT FLYING. WE WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO CROSS MOANS AT 10000 FT (83 DME 030 DEG RADIAL). I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AND AS WE PASSED THROUGH 15000 FT. I NOTICED THAT OUR DSCNT RATE (ABOUT 1700 FPM) WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO MEET THE XING. I SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN UP IMMEDIATELY BUT I WAS HOPING THE CAPT WOULD NOTICE IN THE NEXT 30 SECONDS. HE DID, AND BY THE TIME HE CORRECTED THE DSCNT RATE WE CROSSED MOANS AT ABOUT 11000 FT (OR ABOUT 2-3 MI PAST MOANS AT 10000 FT). THE CTLR SAID 'VERIFY 10000 FT' AS WE WERE LEVELING AND I ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AND IN A NORMAL TONE OF VOICE HE TURNED US OVER TO APCH CTL. THERE WAS NO OTHER MODE C TFC IN THE AREA. I FELT THAT MY HESITATION TO SPEAK UP WAS A PROB THAT WAS COMPOUNDED BY A CAPT WHO HAD TO BE CORRECTED QUITE A BIT. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE A NAG. ALSO, 3 DAYS OF XA00-XA30 MORNING RPT TIMES HAD WORN ME DOWN A BIT AS WELL. NEXT TIME, I WILL BE MORE AWARE OF MY OWN PHYSICAL FATIGUE AND MENTAL ASSERTIVENESS WHEN I'M ON ANY TRIP. EVEN THOUGH I HAD REASONABLE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IT MEANT NOTHING WITHOUT A WILLINGNESS TO SPEAK UP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.