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Attributes | |
ACN | 440690 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : dryht1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 20500 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 440690 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 20 |
ASRS Report | 440858 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Narrative:
First officer called for clearance, received dryht.1-dryht-ach, as filed, maintain at or below 300 ft until 10 mi west, then climb and maintain 7000 ft. He responded by acknowledging the so only, as per phx procedures. I heard the clearance and copied it the same as him. The dryht.1 is relatively new to phx (departure procedure) and has no published altitudes. It has a turn to 190 degrees at 4 DME east of pxr VOR for vectors takeoff east. While clearance seemed different, the 3000 ft and 7000 ft were normal phx departure altitude and so I complied, even though our route would (eventually) be east. After 3 calls to departure control to check in (he was very busy), controller gave us 100 degree heading and asked if we were climbing to 15000 ft. We responded that no, we hadn't been given 15000 ft. Controller said it was published on the dryht.1. (There are no published altitudes on this departure.) I reiterated our clearance to him. He then cleared us to climb and maintain 15000 ft and go direct bayta intersection.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 DISPUTE WITH DEP CTLR PHX OVER XING ALTS NOT DEPICTED ON NEW SID.
Narrative: FO CALLED FOR CLRNC, RECEIVED DRYHT.1-DRYHT-ACH, AS FILED, MAINTAIN AT OR BELOW 300 FT UNTIL 10 MI W, THEN CLB AND MAINTAIN 7000 FT. HE RESPONDED BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE SO ONLY, AS PER PHX PROCS. I HEARD THE CLRNC AND COPIED IT THE SAME AS HIM. THE DRYHT.1 IS RELATIVELY NEW TO PHX (DEP PROC) AND HAS NO PUBLISHED ALTS. IT HAS A TURN TO 190 DEGS AT 4 DME E OF PXR VOR FOR VECTORS TKOF E. WHILE CLRNC SEEMED DIFFERENT, THE 3000 FT AND 7000 FT WERE NORMAL PHX DEP ALT AND SO I COMPLIED, EVEN THOUGH OUR RTE WOULD (EVENTUALLY) BE E. AFTER 3 CALLS TO DEP CTL TO CHK IN (HE WAS VERY BUSY), CTLR GAVE US 100 DEG HDG AND ASKED IF WE WERE CLBING TO 15000 FT. WE RESPONDED THAT NO, WE HADN'T BEEN GIVEN 15000 FT. CTLR SAID IT WAS PUBLISHED ON THE DRYHT.1. (THERE ARE NO PUBLISHED ALTS ON THIS DEP.) I REITERATED OUR CLRNC TO HIM. HE THEN CLRED US TO CLB AND MAINTAIN 15000 FT AND GO DIRECT BAYTA INTXN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.