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Attributes | |
ACN | 444262 |
Time | |
Date | 199907 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6800 |
ASRS Report | 444262 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Lax tower instructed our flight to cross runway 24L and hold short runway 24R at taxiway V. Tower then requested a 180 degree turn in order to hold short runway 24L at taxiway V. Captain transmitted that we could comply and added power to start aircraft rolling. Aircraft rolled over hold short line to runway 24R. I simultaneously informed him that we had an aircraft on final for runway 24R. We stopped with our aircraft partially over hold short line for runway 24R. We informed tower that we needed approach end of runway 24R to accomplish 180 degree turn. They approved request and we exited runway 24R with final approach aircraft at 2 NM. Solution: don't move the aircraft until you're sure that you can maneuver as requested. I should have been more proactive to let the captain know that he is not cleared on any part of runway 24R.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 CREW HAD RWY INCURSION.
Narrative: LAX TWR INSTRUCTED OUR FLT TO CROSS RWY 24L AND HOLD SHORT RWY 24R AT TXWY V. TWR THEN REQUESTED A 180 DEG TURN IN ORDER TO HOLD SHORT RWY 24L AT TXWY V. CAPT XMITTED THAT WE COULD COMPLY AND ADDED PWR TO START ACFT ROLLING. ACFT ROLLED OVER HOLD SHORT LINE TO RWY 24R. I SIMULTANEOUSLY INFORMED HIM THAT WE HAD AN ACFT ON FINAL FOR RWY 24R. WE STOPPED WITH OUR ACFT PARTIALLY OVER HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 24R. WE INFORMED TWR THAT WE NEEDED APCH END OF RWY 24R TO ACCOMPLISH 180 DEG TURN. THEY APPROVED REQUEST AND WE EXITED RWY 24R WITH FINAL APCH ACFT AT 2 NM. SOLUTION: DON'T MOVE THE ACFT UNTIL YOU'RE SURE THAT YOU CAN MANEUVER AS REQUESTED. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PROACTIVE TO LET THE CAPT KNOW THAT HE IS NOT CLRED ON ANY PART OF RWY 24R.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.