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Attributes | |
ACN | 447470 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : stl.vortac |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation III, VI, VII |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 447470 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were cleared to descend and cross 30 mi south of stl at and maintain 15000 ft MSL. My copilot entered the crossing restr into the FMS. We started our descent and I then verified the crossing restr with ATC. We followed the descent rate given by the FMS. ATC then gave us a left turn of 360 degrees. I asked the controller if the turn was a result of some traffic conflict. There was none stated. He said that we did not make the crossing restr even though we were more than 5 mi from our crossing point according to the FMS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT QUESTIONS ARTCC'S ASSUMPTION THAT HE DID NOT MAKE A XING RESTR.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO DSND AND CROSS 30 MI S OF STL AT AND MAINTAIN 15000 FT MSL. MY COPLT ENTERED THE XING RESTR INTO THE FMS. WE STARTED OUR DSCNT AND I THEN VERIFIED THE XING RESTR WITH ATC. WE FOLLOWED THE DSCNT RATE GIVEN BY THE FMS. ATC THEN GAVE US A L TURN OF 360 DEGS. I ASKED THE CTLR IF THE TURN WAS A RESULT OF SOME TFC CONFLICT. THERE WAS NONE STATED. HE SAID THAT WE DID NOT MAKE THE XING RESTR EVEN THOUGH WE WERE MORE THAN 5 MI FROM OUR XING POINT ACCORDING TO THE FMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.