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Attributes | |
ACN | 748871 |
Time | |
Date | 200708 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : svc.airport |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 748871 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
WX at service was 10 SM visibility; but with thunderstorms in the vicinity. A VFR departure was not feasible due to low cloud bases. We decided that an IFR departure as filed would keep us out of the major storms. I called ZAB on the phone; and I received an IFR clearance service 'abq as filed.' after we departed service; I called up ZAB on the radio; and their response was 'aircraft X maintain VFR; I have an aircraft on the approach.' I insisted that we had a valid IFR clearance and the controller gave new instructions to the other aircraft to maintain separation. At service; there is no radar contact below 10000 ft MSL due to terrain. This is now the second time that I was cleared service 'abq as filed' and then was told to 'maintain VFR.' possibly there is a communications problem with ZAB.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR DEP FROM SVC VOICED CONCERN REGARDING ZAB'S ASSUMPTION THAT VFR WAS POSSIBLE DURING CLIMB OUT WHEN WX PRECLUDED SAME.
Narrative: WX AT SVC WAS 10 SM VISIBILITY; BUT WITH TSTMS IN THE VICINITY. A VFR DEP WAS NOT FEASIBLE DUE TO LOW CLOUD BASES. WE DECIDED THAT AN IFR DEP AS FILED WOULD KEEP US OUT OF THE MAJOR STORMS. I CALLED ZAB ON THE PHONE; AND I RECEIVED AN IFR CLRNC SVC 'ABQ AS FILED.' AFTER WE DEPARTED SVC; I CALLED UP ZAB ON THE RADIO; AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS 'ACFT X MAINTAIN VFR; I HAVE AN ACFT ON THE APCH.' I INSISTED THAT WE HAD A VALID IFR CLRNC AND THE CTLR GAVE NEW INSTRUCTIONS TO THE OTHER ACFT TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION. AT SVC; THERE IS NO RADAR CONTACT BELOW 10000 FT MSL DUE TO TERRAIN. THIS IS NOW THE SECOND TIME THAT I WAS CLRED SVC 'ABQ AS FILED' AND THEN WAS TOLD TO 'MAINTAIN VFR.' POSSIBLY THERE IS A COMS PROB WITH ZAB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.