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Attributes | |
ACN | 458254 |
Time | |
Date | 199912 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sju.airport |
State Reference | PR |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sju.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : taxi ground : takeoff roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18190 flight time type : 11960 |
ASRS Report | 458254 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2800 flight time type : 230 |
ASRS Report | 457922 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : executed go around flight crew : executed missed approach |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Taxiing to runway 8, we were following a C172 on taxiway HZ. At least 7 aircraft were waiting for takeoff on txwys HZ and south. The controller cleared the cessna to taxi ahead and hold short of runway 8 at taxiway Z, adding for us to expect to be following the cessna. Shortly thereafter, the tower cleared the cessna for takeoff, no delay, and I understood we were cleared into position and hold. My crew heard a hold short clearance. Therefore, I continued taxiing onto the runway surface before my crew could question my action. This resulted in the tower directing a go around of an ATR. We were then cleared for takeoff. Out of concern we apologized for the misunderstanding after takeoff and we obtained a tower phone number so we could discuss the occurrence after landing in miami. When I called, I spoke to the morning shift supervisor. He was pleased we had admitted error just after takeoff, but added that the clearance was unclr. In fact the controller had given clearance to 2 aircraft in 1 call asking them both to advance and this contributed to the misunderstanding on the takeoff clearance. Further, he said he would not pursue FAA action since both pilot crew and controller had contributed to the error. He added, 'we all need to be careful out there.' I agreed. Supplemental information from acn 458116: at this time I became preoccupied with my pretkof duties, and was unaware of any further clearance. We departed san juan and apologized for any inconvenience caused. The controller replied 'no problem.' supplemental information from acn 457922: the controller was incredibly busy trying to coordinate not only departures on runway 8, but also lndgs due to the other runway being closed. This is where I believe the problem arose. We were cleared #2 behind the cessna and were told to taxi up to and hold short of taxiway Z. As a result of the controller's implications that we were to follow the cessna we did, where we entered an active runway without a clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727-200 CARGO FLT ENTERS RWY 8 WITHOUT CLRNC AT SJU, PR.
Narrative: TAXIING TO RWY 8, WE WERE FOLLOWING A C172 ON TXWY HZ. AT LEAST 7 ACFT WERE WAITING FOR TKOF ON TXWYS HZ AND S. THE CTLR CLRED THE CESSNA TO TAXI AHEAD AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 8 AT TXWY Z, ADDING FOR US TO EXPECT TO BE FOLLOWING THE CESSNA. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE TWR CLRED THE CESSNA FOR TKOF, NO DELAY, AND I UNDERSTOOD WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD. MY CREW HEARD A HOLD SHORT CLRNC. THEREFORE, I CONTINUED TAXIING ONTO THE RWY SURFACE BEFORE MY CREW COULD QUESTION MY ACTION. THIS RESULTED IN THE TWR DIRECTING A GAR OF AN ATR. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR TKOF. OUT OF CONCERN WE APOLOGIZED FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING AFTER TKOF AND WE OBTAINED A TWR PHONE NUMBER SO WE COULD DISCUSS THE OCCURRENCE AFTER LNDG IN MIAMI. WHEN I CALLED, I SPOKE TO THE MORNING SHIFT SUPVR. HE WAS PLEASED WE HAD ADMITTED ERROR JUST AFTER TKOF, BUT ADDED THAT THE CLRNC WAS UNCLR. IN FACT THE CTLR HAD GIVEN CLRNC TO 2 ACFT IN 1 CALL ASKING THEM BOTH TO ADVANCE AND THIS CONTRIBUTED TO THE MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE TKOF CLRNC. FURTHER, HE SAID HE WOULD NOT PURSUE FAA ACTION SINCE BOTH PLT CREW AND CTLR HAD CONTRIBUTED TO THE ERROR. HE ADDED, 'WE ALL NEED TO BE CAREFUL OUT THERE.' I AGREED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 458116: AT THIS TIME I BECAME PREOCCUPIED WITH MY PRETKOF DUTIES, AND WAS UNAWARE OF ANY FURTHER CLRNC. WE DEPARTED SAN JUAN AND APOLOGIZED FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED. THE CTLR REPLIED 'NO PROB.' SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 457922: THE CTLR WAS INCREDIBLY BUSY TRYING TO COORDINATE NOT ONLY DEPS ON RWY 8, BUT ALSO LNDGS DUE TO THE OTHER RWY BEING CLOSED. THIS IS WHERE I BELIEVE THE PROB AROSE. WE WERE CLRED #2 BEHIND THE CESSNA AND WERE TOLD TO TAXI UP TO AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY Z. AS A RESULT OF THE CTLR'S IMPLICATIONS THAT WE WERE TO FOLLOW THE CESSNA WE DID, WHERE WE ENTERED AN ACTIVE RWY WITHOUT A CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.