37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 459840 |
Time | |
Date | 200001 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 18000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR Combined VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | observation : observer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 159 flight time total : 1600 flight time type : 1 |
ASRS Report | 459840 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : unique event airspace violation : entry inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Passenger Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The company I fly for was interested in purchasing this airplane. The company wanted to know performance plane at FL240. The pilot that brought plane to demonstrate it, wasn't familiar with frequency and asked if I would talk on radios. We left ojc on south heading at 180 degrees. We contacted mci approach and made our request to climb to FL240 altitude. To see performance of plane. The approach gave me squawk code. Approach handed me off to ZKC. My first contact, no response. My second attempt to center, I requested FL240 for some aerial work on 180 degree radial. I contacted ZKC again to verify we would like to climb to FL240 and explained to controller it was for a pre-buy and we would reach altitude, then start down. The controller responded by saying she had me in radar contact, and gave me my position. Then she contacted me and said we had to have IFR clearance. Once again we explained our intentions and asked if we could have a round robin to ojc. Once we descended to VFR altitude, we would cancel IFR and proceed back VFR. Her supervisor contacted me and said that we did not have clearance into class a airspace and for me to contact him. At this point, the supervisor wanted to know our altitude -- we were at FL210. I contacted the controller and told her that we were clear to go to that altitude. The airplane was noisy and it was hard to hear, and that there was a misunderstanding. She verified we were clear for 'round robin' to olathe, and an altitude of FL230. We reached altitude and contacted ZKC and said we were ready to descend.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT DEMONSTRATION PLT ENTERS CLASS A AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: THE COMPANY I FLY FOR WAS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THIS AIRPLANE. THE COMPANY WANTED TO KNOW PERFORMANCE PLANE AT FL240. THE PLT THAT BROUGHT PLANE TO DEMONSTRATE IT, WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH FREQ AND ASKED IF I WOULD TALK ON RADIOS. WE LEFT OJC ON S HDG AT 180 DEGS. WE CONTACTED MCI APCH AND MADE OUR REQUEST TO CLB TO FL240 ALT. TO SEE PERFORMANCE OF PLANE. THE APCH GAVE ME SQUAWK CODE. APCH HANDED ME OFF TO ZKC. MY FIRST CONTACT, NO RESPONSE. MY SECOND ATTEMPT TO CTR, I REQUESTED FL240 FOR SOME AERIAL WORK ON 180 DEG RADIAL. I CONTACTED ZKC AGAIN TO VERIFY WE WOULD LIKE TO CLB TO FL240 AND EXPLAINED TO CTLR IT WAS FOR A PRE-BUY AND WE WOULD REACH ALT, THEN START DOWN. THE CTLR RESPONDED BY SAYING SHE HAD ME IN RADAR CONTACT, AND GAVE ME MY POS. THEN SHE CONTACTED ME AND SAID WE HAD TO HAVE IFR CLRNC. ONCE AGAIN WE EXPLAINED OUR INTENTIONS AND ASKED IF WE COULD HAVE A ROUND ROBIN TO OJC. ONCE WE DSNDED TO VFR ALT, WE WOULD CANCEL IFR AND PROCEED BACK VFR. HER SUPVR CONTACTED ME AND SAID THAT WE DID NOT HAVE CLRNC INTO CLASS A AIRSPACE AND FOR ME TO CONTACT HIM. AT THIS POINT, THE SUPVR WANTED TO KNOW OUR ALT -- WE WERE AT FL210. I CONTACTED THE CTLR AND TOLD HER THAT WE WERE CLR TO GO TO THAT ALT. THE AIRPLANE WAS NOISY AND IT WAS HARD TO HEAR, AND THAT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING. SHE VERIFIED WE WERE CLR FOR 'ROUND ROBIN' TO OLATHE, AND AN ALT OF FL230. WE REACHED ALT AND CONTACTED ZKC AND SAID WE WERE READY TO DSND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.