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Attributes | |
ACN | 460947 |
Time | |
Date | 200001 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3600 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : charter |
Make Model Name | HS 125 Series 1-600 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 197 flight time total : 9800 flight time type : 1505 |
ASRS Report | 460947 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : vertical rate indication other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Departure occurred at about XA45 from vny. Immediately noticed severe turbulence in climb out due to northerly wind, with santa ana type conditions and moisture. We were asked to circle left and south to go to vny VOR and track outbound on 095 degree radial. Was placed on a vector into mountains even though VOR needle showed centered on airway. As we crossed closer into the mountains, we encountered severe rotor turbulence with an immediate altitude los of 200 ft. We then flew into the downwind side of the rotor and encountered a heavy sink rate in excess of 4000 FPM. Recovery occurred at approximately 300-360 ft down from assigned altitude. Power and pitch up barely stopped the descent rate. A full recovery was made. The tremendous sink rate and sudden turbulence was compounded when the autoplt uncoupled at the same time due to the sudden turbulence and high sink rate. The controller was aware of the northerly winds since he mentioned other aircraft drifting due to the strong winds. I do not understand why a controller would vector aircraft into a rotor condition. I find this form of vectoring unsafe when meteorological conditions are not taken into consideration. 2 FAA aviation safety counselors were on board the aircraft at the time of the event. The writer is a veteran of mountain wave soaring. Since ATC was very busy, we did not respond on tape. Only later on, down by san diego, were we asked to make a call to the controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A CPR BRITISH HS125 HAWKER LOST ALT AT AN INTERMEDIATE ALT DURING DEP WHEN DEP CTLR VECTORED HIM INTO STRONG TURB MOUNTAIN WAVE DSNDING AIR.
Narrative: DEP OCCURRED AT ABOUT XA45 FROM VNY. IMMEDIATELY NOTICED SEVERE TURB IN CLBOUT DUE TO NORTHERLY WIND, WITH SANTA ANA TYPE CONDITIONS AND MOISTURE. WE WERE ASKED TO CIRCLE L AND S TO GO TO VNY VOR AND TRACK OUTBOUND ON 095 DEG RADIAL. WAS PLACED ON A VECTOR INTO MOUNTAINS EVEN THOUGH VOR NEEDLE SHOWED CTRED ON AIRWAY. AS WE CROSSED CLOSER INTO THE MOUNTAINS, WE ENCOUNTERED SEVERE ROTOR TURB WITH AN IMMEDIATE ALT LOS OF 200 FT. WE THEN FLEW INTO THE DOWNWIND SIDE OF THE ROTOR AND ENCOUNTERED A HVY SINK RATE IN EXCESS OF 4000 FPM. RECOVERY OCCURRED AT APPROX 300-360 FT DOWN FROM ASSIGNED ALT. PWR AND PITCH UP BARELY STOPPED THE DSCNT RATE. A FULL RECOVERY WAS MADE. THE TREMENDOUS SINK RATE AND SUDDEN TURB WAS COMPOUNDED WHEN THE AUTOPLT UNCOUPLED AT THE SAME TIME DUE TO THE SUDDEN TURB AND HIGH SINK RATE. THE CTLR WAS AWARE OF THE NORTHERLY WINDS SINCE HE MENTIONED OTHER ACFT DRIFTING DUE TO THE STRONG WINDS. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY A CTLR WOULD VECTOR ACFT INTO A ROTOR CONDITION. I FIND THIS FORM OF VECTORING UNSAFE WHEN METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS ARE NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 2 FAA AVIATION SAFETY COUNSELORS WERE ON BOARD THE ACFT AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT. THE WRITER IS A VETERAN OF MOUNTAIN WAVE SOARING. SINCE ATC WAS VERY BUSY, WE DID NOT RESPOND ON TAPE. ONLY LATER ON, DOWN BY SAN DIEGO, WERE WE ASKED TO MAKE A CALL TO THE CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.