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Attributes | |
ACN | 471680 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : fsd.vortac |
State Reference | SD |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 24300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 115 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 1625 |
ASRS Report | 471680 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer observation : company check pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : overcame equipment problem flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on IOE as a new DC9 captain with a relatively inexperienced instructor in the right seat. It was his leg to do PF duties. When it came time for leveloff at FL240, he used his altimeter to reference the leveloff. As we approached 150 ft high on the leveloff, I asked if he was in fact leveling. (The autoplts on DC9's typically will overshoot by 100 ft or so and then settle back down to the selected altitude.) he stated he was leveling and I looked at his altimeter. Both were correctly set at 29.92, but his was reading 200 ft lower than mine. Altitude encoding is off captain's altimeter. After discovering this and him taking corrective action, ZMP called and asked our altitude. I was honest and told them altitude settings were ok, but there was a 200 ft difference between our altimeters. When I was in the right seat of the DC9 I was trained to look at the captain's altimeter for leveloffs. I thought a captain instructor would have known this, but it had been a while since he had been in the right seat of a DC9 and only had about 3 legs before flying with me. Almost scares me to think I'll be flying as a new captain with new-hire first officer's and I can't even be relaxed with an instructor in the right seat.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMPANY CHK PLT ACTING AS FLYING FO OVERSHOT LEVELOFF ALT DUE TO HIS ALTIMETER READING LOWER THAN THE CAPT'S WHICH IS THE ENCODING ALTIMETER.
Narrative: I WAS ON IOE AS A NEW DC9 CAPT WITH A RELATIVELY INEXPERIENCED INSTRUCTOR IN THE R SEAT. IT WAS HIS LEG TO DO PF DUTIES. WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR LEVELOFF AT FL240, HE USED HIS ALTIMETER TO REF THE LEVELOFF. AS WE APCHED 150 FT HIGH ON THE LEVELOFF, I ASKED IF HE WAS IN FACT LEVELING. (THE AUTOPLTS ON DC9'S TYPICALLY WILL OVERSHOOT BY 100 FT OR SO AND THEN SETTLE BACK DOWN TO THE SELECTED ALT.) HE STATED HE WAS LEVELING AND I LOOKED AT HIS ALTIMETER. BOTH WERE CORRECTLY SET AT 29.92, BUT HIS WAS READING 200 FT LOWER THAN MINE. ALT ENCODING IS OFF CAPT'S ALTIMETER. AFTER DISCOVERING THIS AND HIM TAKING CORRECTIVE ACTION, ZMP CALLED AND ASKED OUR ALT. I WAS HONEST AND TOLD THEM ALT SETTINGS WERE OK, BUT THERE WAS A 200 FT DIFFERENCE BTWN OUR ALTIMETERS. WHEN I WAS IN THE R SEAT OF THE DC9 I WAS TRAINED TO LOOK AT THE CAPT'S ALTIMETER FOR LEVELOFFS. I THOUGHT A CAPT INSTRUCTOR WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS, BUT IT HAD BEEN A WHILE SINCE HE HAD BEEN IN THE R SEAT OF A DC9 AND ONLY HAD ABOUT 3 LEGS BEFORE FLYING WITH ME. ALMOST SCARES ME TO THINK I'LL BE FLYING AS A NEW CAPT WITH NEW-HIRE FO'S AND I CAN'T EVEN BE RELAXED WITH AN INSTRUCTOR IN THE R SEAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.