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Attributes | |
ACN | 472520 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sop.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : fay.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 05 Other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 12 flight time total : 187 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 472520 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 4700 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 472031 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was flying 'under the hood' with a cfii as instructor and safety pilot. We were on an out and back instrument training flight from gso to SOP to gso. At the appropriate time I contacted fay approach control for flight following and advised our intent to fly the ILS runway 5 approach to moore county (SOP). Fay approach offered vectors, but my CFI advised me he wanted me to fly the full procedure. At this point we were transitioning from the sandhills (sdz) VORTAC to falow. The CFI advised me that at 90 KTS the 6.1 NM transition should take about 4 mins. This would help us maintain positional awareness in the event we did not fly directly over the falow OM. At the 4 min time mark, I had not received indication of localizer. My CFI advised me to fly 1 more min since we were not certain how the wind might have affected our heading. At this point the CFI noticed, from ground references, that we had passed the runway 5 centerline for SOP. Being familiar with the area, the CFI was concerned about the restr airspace (R5311) ahead of us. He called fay approach control for position confirmation. We were advised we were 4 NM southeast of falow. The CFI asked for vector to the final and we were immediately turned away from the restr area. The controller seemed a bit surprised that we had contacted him and requested vectors and position verification. We thanked him for his help and proceeded to make a successful ILS runway 5 approach. Upon review of the situation, I do not believe we actually penetrated the restr area (R5311). But I found it interesting that the alert area (A531) is depicted on the VOR or GPS-a plate for SOP while the restr area (R5311) is not depicted on any SOP approach plates. ATC offered no advisory or warning of possible intrusion into restr area. If this area had been depicted on the approach plate, I would have been much more concerned (aware) of my situation. If the CFI had not been familiar with the area I might have flown into R5311. It is my opinion that restr areas near SOP approachs should be depicted. When a pilot is saturated with workload and referencing the approach plates, this depiction would improve situational awareness.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CREW OF AN INST TRAINING FLT CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF RESTR AREA DEPICTION ON THE APCH CHARTS FOR SOP, NC, RWY 5 ILS. THE VOR GPS APCH TO THE SAME ARPT HAS THEM.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING 'UNDER THE HOOD' WITH A CFII AS INSTRUCTOR AND SAFETY PLT. WE WERE ON AN OUT AND BACK INST TRAINING FLT FROM GSO TO SOP TO GSO. AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME I CONTACTED FAY APCH CTL FOR FLT FOLLOWING AND ADVISED OUR INTENT TO FLY THE ILS RWY 5 APCH TO MOORE COUNTY (SOP). FAY APCH OFFERED VECTORS, BUT MY CFI ADVISED ME HE WANTED ME TO FLY THE FULL PROC. AT THIS POINT WE WERE TRANSITIONING FROM THE SANDHILLS (SDZ) VORTAC TO FALOW. THE CFI ADVISED ME THAT AT 90 KTS THE 6.1 NM TRANSITION SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 4 MINS. THIS WOULD HELP US MAINTAIN POSITIONAL AWARENESS IN THE EVENT WE DID NOT FLY DIRECTLY OVER THE FALOW OM. AT THE 4 MIN TIME MARK, I HAD NOT RECEIVED INDICATION OF LOC. MY CFI ADVISED ME TO FLY 1 MORE MIN SINCE WE WERE NOT CERTAIN HOW THE WIND MIGHT HAVE AFFECTED OUR HDG. AT THIS POINT THE CFI NOTICED, FROM GND REFS, THAT WE HAD PASSED THE RWY 5 CTRLINE FOR SOP. BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, THE CFI WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESTR AIRSPACE (R5311) AHEAD OF US. HE CALLED FAY APCH CTL FOR POS CONFIRMATION. WE WERE ADVISED WE WERE 4 NM SE OF FALOW. THE CFI ASKED FOR VECTOR TO THE FINAL AND WE WERE IMMEDIATELY TURNED AWAY FROM THE RESTR AREA. THE CTLR SEEMED A BIT SURPRISED THAT WE HAD CONTACTED HIM AND REQUESTED VECTORS AND POS VERIFICATION. WE THANKED HIM FOR HIS HELP AND PROCEEDED TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL ILS RWY 5 APCH. UPON REVIEW OF THE SIT, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY PENETRATED THE RESTR AREA (R5311). BUT I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT THE ALERT AREA (A531) IS DEPICTED ON THE VOR OR GPS-A PLATE FOR SOP WHILE THE RESTR AREA (R5311) IS NOT DEPICTED ON ANY SOP APCH PLATES. ATC OFFERED NO ADVISORY OR WARNING OF POSSIBLE INTRUSION INTO RESTR AREA. IF THIS AREA HAD BEEN DEPICTED ON THE APCH PLATE, I WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE CONCERNED (AWARE) OF MY SIT. IF THE CFI HAD NOT BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA I MIGHT HAVE FLOWN INTO R5311. IT IS MY OPINION THAT RESTR AREAS NEAR SOP APCHS SHOULD BE DEPICTED. WHEN A PLT IS SATURATED WITH WORKLOAD AND REFING THE APCH PLATES, THIS DEPICTION WOULD IMPROVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.