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Attributes | |
ACN | 473457 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw.airport |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | agl single value : 200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 473457 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Upon arrival at the dtw airport, approach control cleared us for the ILS approach to runway 21R. We were following another aircraft to runway 21R. The clearance was, maintain 3000 ft until established, 170 KTS to the marker, cleared for the ILS runway 21R approach. We were established in the landing confign outside the OM maintaining 170 KIAS. At the marker we reduced speed to our final approach speed of 143 KIAS. We reported in to the tower at the marker. The tower cleared us to land and advised us that there would be one departure before our arrival. After the aircraft ahead of us landed, the tower cleared an air carrier Y flight into position and hold. The tower advised him that traffic was 3 1/2 mi out. From our vantage point, it did not look like 3 1/2 mi to the runway, it looked more like 2-2 1/2 mi. With that in mind, I briefed the go around procedure in case it was required. The flight that landed ahead of us was just starting to turn off the runway when the tower cleared the air carrier Y aircraft for takeoff. It looked like we were only 1-1 1/2 mi from the runway at that point. The air carrier Y aircraft started his takeoff roll as the proceeding aircraft was clearing the runway. At that point, we were ready to do a go around. It was becoming clear that there would not be enough time for the departing aircraft to get airborne before our touchdown. I had made the 200 ft callout (we were less than 200 ft AGL) and was reaching for the microphone to declare a go around just as the tower told us to go around. We performed the go around procedure and were vectored back for another approach. That landing took place without incident. I informed out flight operations department of what happened. They in turn contacted the dtw tower supervisor. They were informed that the controller working runway 21R was in training and had just 6 hours on the position. The supervisor admitted that the gapshot was too close to squeeze the departure in. After the go around, tower did get us priority back in to the line up. Flight operations also expressed concern that the departing DC9 was not told 'immediate' or 'expedite' in their takeoff clearance. Tower supervisor stated that this was again an error on the controller's part. In my mind, in an effort to get an aircraft out ahead of our arrival, proper arrival/departure separation was sacrificed. This is a common practice at congested airports during rush hours.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A DC10 MADE A GAR WHEN A DEPARTING DC9 WAS STARTING TKOF ROLL, WHILE HE WAS 200 FT HIGH OVER THE MM.
Narrative: UPON ARR AT THE DTW ARPT, APCH CTL CLRED US FOR THE ILS APCH TO RWY 21R. WE WERE FOLLOWING ANOTHER ACFT TO RWY 21R. THE CLRNC WAS, MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED, 170 KTS TO THE MARKER, CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 21R APCH. WE WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE LNDG CONFIGN OUTSIDE THE OM MAINTAINING 170 KIAS. AT THE MARKER WE REDUCED SPD TO OUR FINAL APCH SPD OF 143 KIAS. WE RPTED IN TO THE TWR AT THE MARKER. THE TWR CLRED US TO LAND AND ADVISED US THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE DEP BEFORE OUR ARR. AFTER THE ACFT AHEAD OF US LANDED, THE TWR CLRED AN ACR Y FLT INTO POS AND HOLD. THE TWR ADVISED HIM THAT TFC WAS 3 1/2 MI OUT. FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT, IT DID NOT LOOK LIKE 3 1/2 MI TO THE RWY, IT LOOKED MORE LIKE 2-2 1/2 MI. WITH THAT IN MIND, I BRIEFED THE GAR PROC IN CASE IT WAS REQUIRED. THE FLT THAT LANDED AHEAD OF US WAS JUST STARTING TO TURN OFF THE RWY WHEN THE TWR CLRED THE ACR Y ACFT FOR TKOF. IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE ONLY 1-1 1/2 MI FROM THE RWY AT THAT POINT. THE ACR Y ACFT STARTED HIS TKOF ROLL AS THE PROCEEDING ACFT WAS CLRING THE RWY. AT THAT POINT, WE WERE READY TO DO A GAR. IT WAS BECOMING CLR THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE DEPARTING ACFT TO GET AIRBORNE BEFORE OUR TOUCHDOWN. I HAD MADE THE 200 FT CALLOUT (WE WERE LESS THAN 200 FT AGL) AND WAS REACHING FOR THE MIKE TO DECLARE A GAR JUST AS THE TWR TOLD US TO GAR. WE PERFORMED THE GAR PROC AND WERE VECTORED BACK FOR ANOTHER APCH. THAT LNDG TOOK PLACE WITHOUT INCIDENT. I INFORMED OUT FLT OPS DEPT OF WHAT HAPPENED. THEY IN TURN CONTACTED THE DTW TWR SUPVR. THEY WERE INFORMED THAT THE CTLR WORKING RWY 21R WAS IN TRAINING AND HAD JUST 6 HRS ON THE POS. THE SUPVR ADMITTED THAT THE GAPSHOT WAS TOO CLOSE TO SQUEEZE THE DEP IN. AFTER THE GAR, TWR DID GET US PRIORITY BACK IN TO THE LINE UP. FLT OPS ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THE DEPARTING DC9 WAS NOT TOLD 'IMMEDIATE' OR 'EXPEDITE' IN THEIR TKOF CLRNC. TWR SUPVR STATED THAT THIS WAS AGAIN AN ERROR ON THE CTLR'S PART. IN MY MIND, IN AN EFFORT TO GET AN ACFT OUT AHEAD OF OUR ARR, PROPER ARR/DEP SEPARATION WAS SACRIFICED. THIS IS A COMMON PRACTICE AT CONGESTED ARPTS DURING RUSH HRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.