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Attributes | |
ACN | 473956 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : civet four |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 473956 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : regained aircraft control |
Consequence | other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Situations | |
Airspace Structure | class a : zla.a |
Narrative:
Aircraft type B757. 2 incidents happened on this flight. I doubt that they are related but I mention this fact because I don't want this possibility overlooked. This report covers only the second incident 'nose pitch down and exceedance of mmo/vmo.' the first incident is the subject of a separate report, titled 'un-normal aircraft sound as the center fuel tank ran dry.' I was the captain of this flight and the PNF. Abc was the copilot of this flight and the PF. On descent into lax we were cleared to civet and then the redeye 2 arrival into lax. We descended to our clearance limit of FL180 at civet. The aircraft was on autoplt with LNAV and VNAV engaged. Our airspeed at this time was commanded by the FMS and was about 10 KTS below the mmo/vmo pointer. We received a clearance to descend via the redeye 2 arrival. The copilot selected a lower altitude, dialed in a lower airspeed, and deployed the spoilers. The aircraft responded by lowering the nose. To this point everything was normal. Then the aircraft really pitched down. The pitchover was uncomfortable and very noticeable. The aircraft almost immediately went through mmo/vmo and the copilot disengaged the autoplt and started a recovery. I had flown with the copilot before and knew him to be an excellent pilot. In my original 'abnormal briefing' I had briefed that if anything went wrong, the PF would continue to fly and the PNF would work the checklist. The noise in the cockpit from the overspd warning was so loud it precluded a proper conversation between us. I observed the aircraft attitude and speed and the copilot's actions carefully. He had disconnected the autoplt and was in the process of making a slow coordinated pull up so as to not overstress the aircraft. Since his response was exactly how I would have handled this problem, I elected to let him continue his recovery and not risk an over-control situation by abruptly taking control of the aircraft away from him. In my opinion, he made a smooth textbook perfect nose down recovery. The aircraft reached an indicated speed of 380 KTS, which was about 30 KTS over mmo/vmo. After landing we made a logbook write-up about our exceeding mmo/vmo.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 CAPT RPTED THAT DURING THE REDEYE 2 ARR INTO LAX THE ACFT SUDDENLY PITCHED OVER CAUSING THE ACFT TO EXCEED MMO-VMO BY 30 KIAS.
Narrative: ACFT TYPE B757. 2 INCIDENTS HAPPENED ON THIS FLT. I DOUBT THAT THEY ARE RELATED BUT I MENTION THIS FACT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS POSSIBILITY OVERLOOKED. THIS RPT COVERS ONLY THE SECOND INCIDENT 'NOSE PITCH DOWN AND EXCEEDANCE OF MMO/VMO.' THE FIRST INCIDENT IS THE SUBJECT OF A SEPARATE RPT, TITLED 'UN-NORMAL ACFT SOUND AS THE CTR FUEL TANK RAN DRY.' I WAS THE CAPT OF THIS FLT AND THE PNF. ABC WAS THE COPLT OF THIS FLT AND THE PF. ON DSCNT INTO LAX WE WERE CLRED TO CIVET AND THEN THE REDEYE 2 ARR INTO LAX. WE DSNDED TO OUR CLRNC LIMIT OF FL180 AT CIVET. THE ACFT WAS ON AUTOPLT WITH LNAV AND VNAV ENGAGED. OUR AIRSPD AT THIS TIME WAS COMMANDED BY THE FMS AND WAS ABOUT 10 KTS BELOW THE MMO/VMO POINTER. WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO DSND VIA THE REDEYE 2 ARR. THE COPLT SELECTED A LOWER ALT, DIALED IN A LOWER AIRSPD, AND DEPLOYED THE SPOILERS. THE ACFT RESPONDED BY LOWERING THE NOSE. TO THIS POINT EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL. THEN THE ACFT REALLY PITCHED DOWN. THE PITCHOVER WAS UNCOMFORTABLE AND VERY NOTICEABLE. THE ACFT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WENT THROUGH MMO/VMO AND THE COPLT DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT AND STARTED A RECOVERY. I HAD FLOWN WITH THE COPLT BEFORE AND KNEW HIM TO BE AN EXCELLENT PLT. IN MY ORIGINAL 'ABNORMAL BRIEFING' I HAD BRIEFED THAT IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG, THE PF WOULD CONTINUE TO FLY AND THE PNF WOULD WORK THE CHKLIST. THE NOISE IN THE COCKPIT FROM THE OVERSPD WARNING WAS SO LOUD IT PRECLUDED A PROPER CONVERSATION BTWN US. I OBSERVED THE ACFT ATTITUDE AND SPD AND THE COPLT'S ACTIONS CAREFULLY. HE HAD DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND WAS IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING A SLOW COORDINATED PULL UP SO AS TO NOT OVERSTRESS THE ACFT. SINCE HIS RESPONSE WAS EXACTLY HOW I WOULD HAVE HANDLED THIS PROB, I ELECTED TO LET HIM CONTINUE HIS RECOVERY AND NOT RISK AN OVER-CTL SIT BY ABRUPTLY TAKING CTL OF THE ACFT AWAY FROM HIM. IN MY OPINION, HE MADE A SMOOTH TEXTBOOK PERFECT NOSE DOWN RECOVERY. THE ACFT REACHED AN INDICATED SPD OF 380 KTS, WHICH WAS ABOUT 30 KTS OVER MMO/VMO. AFTER LNDG WE MADE A LOGBOOK WRITE-UP ABOUT OUR EXCEEDING MMO/VMO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.