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Attributes | |
ACN | 474008 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pns.airport |
Altitude | msl single value : 7200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p31.tracon |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Mentor (T-34) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Experience | controller military : 4 controller non radar : 10 controller radar : 2 controller time certified in position1 : 2 |
ASRS Report | 474008 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6750 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : p31.tracon |
Narrative:
Air carrier X, E120 departed pns direct tpa, climbing to 15000 ft, conflicted with a military T34 doing aerobatic training. Even though these T34's squawk while maneuvering, they continually maneuver in areas that are used by air carrier's, air taxies and other GA aircraft for their arrival and departure transitions in and out of pns regional airport. Not only is it impossible to provide positive separation, it is also impossible to issue a safety alert with alternate instructions when you have no idea that the T34 will do next. These aircraft turn sharply continuously, and may climb or descend 2000 ft in a matter of seconds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: P31 DEP CTL ISSUED A TA TO EMB120, CLBING OUT THROUGH 7200 FT, OF A MIL T34 DOING AEROBATICS IN AND AROUND THE DEP RTE. EVEN THOUGH THE CTLR HAD A CONFLICT ALERT WARNING, CTLR DID NOT ISSUE HEADING CHANGES DUE TO THE UNPREDICTABLE FLT PATH OF THE T34.
Narrative: ACR X, E120 DEPARTED PNS DIRECT TPA, CLBING TO 15000 FT, CONFLICTED WITH A MIL T34 DOING AEROBATIC TRAINING. EVEN THOUGH THESE T34'S SQUAWK WHILE MANEUVERING, THEY CONTINUALLY MANEUVER IN AREAS THAT ARE USED BY ACR'S, AIR TAXIES AND OTHER GA ACFT FOR THEIR ARR AND DEP TRANSITIONS IN AND OUT OF PNS REGIONAL ARPT. NOT ONLY IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVIDE POSITIVE SEPARATION, IT IS ALSO IMPOSSIBLE TO ISSUE A SAFETY ALERT WITH ALTERNATE INSTRUCTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT THE T34 WILL DO NEXT. THESE ACFT TURN SHARPLY CONTINUOUSLY, AND MAY CLB OR DSND 2000 FT IN A MATTER OF SECONDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.