DC9 cargo flight crew questioned about runway crossing at jfk.

Attributes
ACN	475550
Time
Date	200005
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : jfk.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 9000
ASRS Report	475550
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 750
ASRS Report	474858
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

We landed on runway 13R with clearance to 'taxi to the ramp with me.' however, an aircraft that landed behind us was instructed to 'contact ground.' our taxi route required us to cross runway 13L. As we approached runway 13L, we noticed another aircraft crossing this runway. Not being told to hold short, we also taxied across runway 13L. We were later informed by the controller that we had crossed an active runway. He also told us that we were instructed to contact ground control. This was incorrect. In addition, he told us that local control tried to call us. This was also incorrect, as we monitored the tower's xmissions and responded the first time to their call to us in the gate. Supplemental information from acn 474858: after we crossed, the tower called us on tower frequency and requested we call him on the land line. The tower supervisor said we did not contact ground as instructed, then stated they could not reach us on tower frequency and they did not give us clearance to the ramp. We felt it was better not to disagree however we feel the compromise in safety lies in where one operator tries to maintain control over all facilities even during slow periods. There was definitely a communication breakdown between the tower and ground operator when they came on duty.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DC9 CARGO FLC QUESTIONED ABOUT RWY XING AT JFK.

Narrative: WE LANDED ON RWY 13R WITH CLRNC TO 'TAXI TO THE RAMP WITH ME.' HOWEVER, AN ACFT THAT LANDED BEHIND US WAS INSTRUCTED TO 'CONTACT GND.' OUR TAXI RTE REQUIRED US TO CROSS RWY 13L. AS WE APCHED RWY 13L, WE NOTICED ANOTHER ACFT XING THIS RWY. NOT BEING TOLD TO HOLD SHORT, WE ALSO TAXIED ACROSS RWY 13L. WE WERE LATER INFORMED BY THE CTLR THAT WE HAD CROSSED AN ACTIVE RWY. HE ALSO TOLD US THAT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT GND CTL. THIS WAS INCORRECT. IN ADDITION, HE TOLD US THAT LCL CTL TRIED TO CALL US. THIS WAS ALSO INCORRECT, AS WE MONITORED THE TWR'S XMISSIONS AND RESPONDED THE FIRST TIME TO THEIR CALL TO US IN THE GATE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 474858: AFTER WE CROSSED, THE TWR CALLED US ON TWR FREQ AND REQUESTED WE CALL HIM ON THE LAND LINE. THE TWR SUPVR SAID WE DID NOT CONTACT GND AS INSTRUCTED, THEN STATED THEY COULD NOT REACH US ON TWR FREQ AND THEY DID NOT GIVE US CLRNC TO THE RAMP. WE FELT IT WAS BETTER NOT TO DISAGREE HOWEVER WE FEEL THE COMPROMISE IN SAFETY LIES IN WHERE ONE OPERATOR TRIES TO MAINTAIN CTL OVER ALL FACILITIES EVEN DURING SLOW PERIODS. THERE WAS DEFINITELY A COM BREAKDOWN BTWN THE TWR AND GND OPERATOR WHEN THEY CAME ON DUTY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.