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Attributes | |
ACN | 476710 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : den.vortac |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 26000 msl bound upper : 27000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Turbulence Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 476710 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 2440 flight time type : 680 |
ASRS Report | 476580 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure non adherence other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On climb out with denver approach, deviating through/around thunderstorms, den departure inquired as to our altitude when aircraft was slowly climbing through FL264. Both captain and first officer had thought we had been cleared to FL270. Aircraft was immediately descended back to FL260 which ATC advised was our clearance altitude. Unsure whether ATC initially gave us wrong altitude and didn't catch readback, or whether altitude set knob for autoplt was accidentally bumped during long, slow climb out in WX and turbulence. ATC reported no conflict with other aircraft had occurred. Due to heavy aircraft and subsequent slow climb rate, several mins had elapsed between original clearance to climb and when ATC inquired as to what altitude we were level at. Because of this and lengthy conversations about routing through the WX, neither pilot could recall the original altitude clearance conversation. Altitude deviation was limited to 400 ft before correcting. Supplemental information from acn 476580: we believed we were given a clearance to FL270. Passing FL267, center controller asked us our altitude and told us she thought we had only been given clearance to FL260. She told us to level off and stand by. Approximately 30 seconds later, she asked us to descend and maintain FL260. She stated that there were no problems or conflicts, that she just needed us at FL260 until traffic passed, which would still be several mins. So we are not sure if we missed the altitude readout or if ATC did. In addition, during this time, we were deviating due to numerous large thunderstorms in the area and were encountering turbulence.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW CLBED TO A DISPUTED ALT IN ZDV CLASS A AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON CLBOUT WITH DENVER APCH, DEVIATING THROUGH/AROUND TSTMS, DEN DEP INQUIRED AS TO OUR ALT WHEN ACFT WAS SLOWLY CLBING THROUGH FL264. BOTH CAPT AND FO HAD THOUGHT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO FL270. ACFT WAS IMMEDIATELY DSNDED BACK TO FL260 WHICH ATC ADVISED WAS OUR CLRNC ALT. UNSURE WHETHER ATC INITIALLY GAVE US WRONG ALT AND DIDN'T CATCH READBACK, OR WHETHER ALT SET KNOB FOR AUTOPLT WAS ACCIDENTALLY BUMPED DURING LONG, SLOW CLBOUT IN WX AND TURB. ATC RPTED NO CONFLICT WITH OTHER ACFT HAD OCCURRED. DUE TO HVY ACFT AND SUBSEQUENT SLOW CLB RATE, SEVERAL MINS HAD ELAPSED BTWN ORIGINAL CLRNC TO CLB AND WHEN ATC INQUIRED AS TO WHAT ALT WE WERE LEVEL AT. BECAUSE OF THIS AND LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ROUTING THROUGH THE WX, NEITHER PLT COULD RECALL THE ORIGINAL ALT CLRNC CONVERSATION. ALTDEV WAS LIMITED TO 400 FT BEFORE CORRECTING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 476580: WE BELIEVED WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO FL270. PASSING FL267, CTR CTLR ASKED US OUR ALT AND TOLD US SHE THOUGHT WE HAD ONLY BEEN GIVEN CLRNC TO FL260. SHE TOLD US TO LEVEL OFF AND STAND BY. APPROX 30 SECONDS LATER, SHE ASKED US TO DSND AND MAINTAIN FL260. SHE STATED THAT THERE WERE NO PROBS OR CONFLICTS, THAT SHE JUST NEEDED US AT FL260 UNTIL TFC PASSED, WHICH WOULD STILL BE SEVERAL MINS. SO WE ARE NOT SURE IF WE MISSED THE ALT READOUT OR IF ATC DID. IN ADDITION, DURING THIS TIME, WE WERE DEVIATING DUE TO NUMEROUS LARGE TSTMS IN THE AREA AND WERE ENCOUNTERING TURB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.