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Attributes | |
ACN | 123825 |
Time | |
Date | 198909 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : yyr |
State Reference | NF |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 41000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : czqx |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 123825 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 123826 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
In a flight from goose bay, canada to keflavik, iceland, we reached our cruising altitude of 370. Later I heard climb to 410, my copilot heard it and 2 of our passenger. We at this time made our position and reported climbing to 410. The controller at this time acknowledged climb to 410. A few mins later we got a transmission questioning who authorized us to 410. We told them we assumed it was goose bay (we are not sure which control did it). We were allowed to climb to the wrong altitude and stay there for several minutes endangering the lives of everybody on board. This really concerns me, why didn't the controller stop us from climbing if he did not clear us? He just acknowledged that we were combing to 410 and didn't question it! The reason behind reading back instructions is so that if there is a misunderstanding you can be corrected and stopped from climbing to the wrong altitude. Controllers need to know which altitude you can go to. If they read it back they have to be sure that's where we can go to.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF CPR LTT CLAIM THEY HEARD A CLRNC TO FL410. THEY READ IT BACK AND WHEN NOT CHALLENGED CLIMBED TO 410. LATER ATC DISPUTED THE CLRNC BUT THEN ASSIGNED FL410.
Narrative: IN A FLT FROM GOOSE BAY, CANADA TO KEFLAVIK, ICELAND, WE REACHED OUR CRUISING ALT OF 370. LATER I HEARD CLIMB TO 410, MY COPLT HEARD IT AND 2 OF OUR PAX. WE AT THIS TIME MADE OUR POSITION AND REPORTED CLIMBING TO 410. THE CTLR AT THIS TIME ACKNOWLEDGED CLIMB TO 410. A FEW MINS LATER WE GOT A XMISSION QUESTIONING WHO AUTHORIZED US TO 410. WE TOLD THEM WE ASSUMED IT WAS GOOSE BAY (WE ARE NOT SURE WHICH CONTROL DID IT). WE WERE ALLOWED TO CLIMB TO THE WRONG ALT AND STAY THERE FOR SEVERAL MINUTES ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF EVERYBODY ON BOARD. THIS REALLY CONCERNS ME, WHY DIDN'T THE CTLR STOP US FROM CLIMBING IF HE DID NOT CLEAR US? HE JUST ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE WERE COMBING TO 410 AND DIDN'T QUESTION IT! THE REASON BEHIND READING BACK INSTRUCTIONS IS SO THAT IF THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING YOU CAN BE CORRECTED AND STOPPED FROM CLIMBING TO THE WRONG ALT. CTLRS NEED TO KNOW WHICH ALT YOU CAN GO TO. IF THEY READ IT BACK THEY HAVE TO BE SURE THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GO TO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.