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Attributes | |
ACN | 478376 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zla.artcc |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 1210 |
ASRS Report | 478376 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We had received climb to 15000 ft from present 10000 ft. Maximum forward airspeed for traffic. We were at 330 KTS. At 11500 ft ATC said 'stop climb at 12000 ft, cleared direct eed VOR.' as we selected direct eed from present position, a turn was needed. On rollout, my course line showed a .2 from centerline. Ie, his scale showed no offset. First officer side negligible, so at most, 2/10 right of course line. We saw crossing traffic level at 12000 ft and TCASII had chimed alert as 'traffic' as he descended to 12000 ft. He passed just inside our 2 1/2 mi range ring and TCASII RA occurred, 'climb, climb.' at 12300 ft, TCASII said 'clear of conflict.' we notified ATC of action. It was close enough to trigger TCASII RA. I think that after maximum forward airspeed request (which we acknowledged and advised of our speed), controller did not adjust spacing for the speed. He was trying to get our company B757 above and ahead of us for ord. He had given us heading vectors prior to 'direct needles.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CLBING ACR JET HAS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH A COMPANY B757 THAT WAS STARTING A CLB FROM 12000 FT ON A XING PATH ON FREQ WITH ZLA, CA.
Narrative: WE HAD RECEIVED CLB TO 15000 FT FROM PRESENT 10000 FT. MAX FORWARD AIRSPD FOR TFC. WE WERE AT 330 KTS. AT 11500 FT ATC SAID 'STOP CLB AT 12000 FT, CLRED DIRECT EED VOR.' AS WE SELECTED DIRECT EED FROM PRESENT POS, A TURN WAS NEEDED. ON ROLLOUT, MY COURSE LINE SHOWED A .2 FROM CTRLINE. IE, HIS SCALE SHOWED NO OFFSET. FO SIDE NEGLIGIBLE, SO AT MOST, 2/10 R OF COURSE LINE. WE SAW XING TFC LEVEL AT 12000 FT AND TCASII HAD CHIMED ALERT AS 'TFC' AS HE DSNDED TO 12000 FT. HE PASSED JUST INSIDE OUR 2 1/2 MI RANGE RING AND TCASII RA OCCURRED, 'CLB, CLB.' AT 12300 FT, TCASII SAID 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' WE NOTIFIED ATC OF ACTION. IT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO TRIGGER TCASII RA. I THINK THAT AFTER MAX FORWARD AIRSPD REQUEST (WHICH WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND ADVISED OF OUR SPD), CTLR DID NOT ADJUST SPACING FOR THE SPD. HE WAS TRYING TO GET OUR COMPANY B757 ABOVE AND AHEAD OF US FOR ORD. HE HAD GIVEN US HDG VECTORS PRIOR TO 'DIRECT NEEDLES.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.