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Attributes | |
ACN | 481290 |
Time | |
Date | 200008 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 481290 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : taxiway other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | markings : lax.airport procedure or policy : lax.airport signage : lax.airport |
Narrative:
Taxi deviation. We departed gate from lax terminal on the north side. Taxi clearance was taxi to runway 24L via taxiway D, D7, and hold short of taxiway V. After taxiing and holding short of taxiway V between runway 24R&left, ground control said we did not comply with his instructions. There was no conflict with any aircraft on the ground or in the air, and the controller was very nice about the taxi deviation. After looking at the airport diagram, I still believe we complied with the oral instructions. That portion of the airport is confusing, and a review of the taxiway signage, airport diagram, and taxi instruction terminology is in order. I should not that our first verbal instructions were to taxi to runway 24L via taxiway D and the concrete pad. We clarified those instructions with the clearance mentioned above, and then still did not do what the controller wanted. As a side note, upon returning to lax a few hours later on short final to runway 24R, we could see an MD80 in the area in question, and hear the frustrated crew ask the controller exactly what he wanted them to do. The controller responded with instructions for a 180 degree turn. In summary, this situation is not good.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW GOT CONFUSING TAXI INSTRUCTIONS AT THE SE END OF RWY 24R IN LAX.
Narrative: TAXI DEV. WE DEPARTED GATE FROM LAX TERMINAL ON THE N SIDE. TAXI CLRNC WAS TAXI TO RWY 24L VIA TXWY D, D7, AND HOLD SHORT OF TXWY V. AFTER TAXIING AND HOLDING SHORT OF TXWY V BTWN RWY 24R&L, GND CTL SAID WE DID NOT COMPLY WITH HIS INSTRUCTIONS. THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH ANY ACFT ON THE GND OR IN THE AIR, AND THE CTLR WAS VERY NICE ABOUT THE TAXI DEV. AFTER LOOKING AT THE ARPT DIAGRAM, I STILL BELIEVE WE COMPLIED WITH THE ORAL INSTRUCTIONS. THAT PORTION OF THE ARPT IS CONFUSING, AND A REVIEW OF THE TXWY SIGNAGE, ARPT DIAGRAM, AND TAXI INSTRUCTION TERMINOLOGY IS IN ORDER. I SHOULD NOT THAT OUR FIRST VERBAL INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO TAXI TO RWY 24L VIA TXWY D AND THE CONCRETE PAD. WE CLARIFIED THOSE INSTRUCTIONS WITH THE CLRNC MENTIONED ABOVE, AND THEN STILL DID NOT DO WHAT THE CTLR WANTED. AS A SIDE NOTE, UPON RETURNING TO LAX A FEW HRS LATER ON SHORT FINAL TO RWY 24R, WE COULD SEE AN MD80 IN THE AREA IN QUESTION, AND HEAR THE FRUSTRATED CREW ASK THE CTLR EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED THEM TO DO. THE CTLR RESPONDED WITH INSTRUCTIONS FOR A 180 DEG TURN. IN SUMMARY, THIS SIT IS NOT GOOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.