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Attributes | |
ACN | 482548 |
Time | |
Date | 200008 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ors.airport |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4600 flight time type : 390 |
ASRS Report | 482548 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Took off from runway 16 (east sound airport, orces island, washington state). My student, the owner of the plane, was flying. The citation jet handled the short runway easily and we were climbing steeply to leave the smallest footprint of noise. After crossing the shoreline and over water, the student leveled off, retracted flaps, and flew up the long narrow bay at 500 ft. I had heard, but never read, that the minimum altitude for turbojets was 1000 ft. I thought about this for a moment as we headed up the bay. At the end of the bay, we turned right and headed down another long narrow bay (at 500 ft) to look at some new property near the pier. I made him fly in the middle of the bay to keep at least some distance from the numerous fancy houses on the shoreline I didn't expect to see. At the end of the bay we climbed. Later that flight, descended over the trinity alps to look at more property. This time I didn't let him fly within 2000 ft of the surface, even though he wanted to. It was a national park or something like that. I did the right thing the second time over the trinities. I have since read the pertinent far and it is 1000 ft except in a few circumstances. I really want the owner to enjoy his plane, but should not risk a violation in pursuit of this -- despite objections of the guy that is paying you.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: OWNER STUDENT PLT WITH INSTRUCTOR OPERATED A CESSNA CITATION JET AT THE MINIMUM LEGAL ALT NEAR STRUCTURES AND PERSONS. THE CAPT, AND INSTRUCTOR, BELIEVED THAT HE WAS TOO LOW!
Narrative: TOOK OFF FROM RWY 16 (EAST SOUND ARPT, ORCES ISLAND, WASHINGTON STATE). MY STUDENT, THE OWNER OF THE PLANE, WAS FLYING. THE CITATION JET HANDLED THE SHORT RWY EASILY AND WE WERE CLBING STEEPLY TO LEAVE THE SMALLEST FOOTPRINT OF NOISE. AFTER XING THE SHORELINE AND OVER WATER, THE STUDENT LEVELED OFF, RETRACTED FLAPS, AND FLEW UP THE LONG NARROW BAY AT 500 FT. I HAD HEARD, BUT NEVER READ, THAT THE MINIMUM ALT FOR TURBOJETS WAS 1000 FT. I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT AS WE HEADED UP THE BAY. AT THE END OF THE BAY, WE TURNED R AND HEADED DOWN ANOTHER LONG NARROW BAY (AT 500 FT) TO LOOK AT SOME NEW PROPERTY NEAR THE PIER. I MADE HIM FLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BAY TO KEEP AT LEAST SOME DISTANCE FROM THE NUMEROUS FANCY HOUSES ON THE SHORELINE I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE. AT THE END OF THE BAY WE CLBED. LATER THAT FLT, DSNDED OVER THE TRINITY ALPS TO LOOK AT MORE PROPERTY. THIS TIME I DIDN'T LET HIM FLY WITHIN 2000 FT OF THE SURFACE, EVEN THOUGH HE WANTED TO. IT WAS A NATIONAL PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DID THE RIGHT THING THE SECOND TIME OVER THE TRINITIES. I HAVE SINCE READ THE PERTINENT FAR AND IT IS 1000 FT EXCEPT IN A FEW CIRCUMSTANCES. I REALLY WANT THE OWNER TO ENJOY HIS PLANE, BUT SHOULD NOT RISK A VIOLATION IN PURSUIT OF THIS -- DESPITE OBJECTIONS OF THE GUY THAT IS PAYING YOU.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.