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Attributes | |
ACN | 483981 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 50 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 13900 flight time type : 2850 |
ASRS Report | 483981 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 484162 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
At lga, on arrival we were sequenced for approach behind another carrier's airbus, and told to maintain 180 KTS to OM. Spacing was about 2 1/2 mi according to TCASII (a great tool to use for this). This spacing dropped to just a little over 2 mi. This, however, is typical these days to 'enhance capacity.' on short final we could see that the preceding aircraft had missed the last taxiway and was rolling to the end of the runway. We discussed and readied for a go around. On very short final, coming up over the end of the runway, we could no longer see anyone on the runway, and continued. At about 50 ft in the flare, power reducing, the tower controller told us to go around. We executed the rejected landing, touching down briefly prior to going around. Subsequent climb, approach and landing were uneventful. Tower apologized for late go around instruction. I think '2 mi' on final is capacity driven and is a bit too close. Aircraft are not very well illuminated at night and are difficult or impossible to see a mi or more away (for pilots and controllers). The runway 'looked clear.' in fact, I presume we just couldn't see the other aircraft that far away.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TFC SPACING IS SO TIGHT THAT A GAR IS MADE WHEN THE PRECEDING ACFT DOES NOT CLR THE RWY AT THE EXPECTED TURN OFF.
Narrative: AT LGA, ON ARR WE WERE SEQUENCED FOR APCH BEHIND ANOTHER CARRIER'S AIRBUS, AND TOLD TO MAINTAIN 180 KTS TO OM. SPACING WAS ABOUT 2 1/2 MI ACCORDING TO TCASII (A GREAT TOOL TO USE FOR THIS). THIS SPACING DROPPED TO JUST A LITTLE OVER 2 MI. THIS, HOWEVER, IS TYPICAL THESE DAYS TO 'ENHANCE CAPACITY.' ON SHORT FINAL WE COULD SEE THAT THE PRECEDING ACFT HAD MISSED THE LAST TXWY AND WAS ROLLING TO THE END OF THE RWY. WE DISCUSSED AND READIED FOR A GAR. ON VERY SHORT FINAL, COMING UP OVER THE END OF THE RWY, WE COULD NO LONGER SEE ANYONE ON THE RWY, AND CONTINUED. AT ABOUT 50 FT IN THE FLARE, PWR REDUCING, THE TWR CTLR TOLD US TO GO AROUND. WE EXECUTED THE REJECTED LNDG, TOUCHING DOWN BRIEFLY PRIOR TO GOING AROUND. SUBSEQUENT CLB, APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL. TWR APOLOGIZED FOR LATE GAR INSTRUCTION. I THINK '2 MI' ON FINAL IS CAPACITY DRIVEN AND IS A BIT TOO CLOSE. ACFT ARE NOT VERY WELL ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT AND ARE DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE A MI OR MORE AWAY (FOR PLTS AND CTLRS). THE RWY 'LOOKED CLR.' IN FACT, I PRESUME WE JUST COULDN'T SEE THE OTHER ACFT THAT FAR AWAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.