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Attributes | |
ACN | 492041 |
Time | |
Date | 200011 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : vkz.vor |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | ATR 42 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : n/s |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 492041 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X (fpo-mia) on nov/mon/00. I was captain (and the PF) on the ATR42. We were talking to mia approach on 124.85. They had just turned us to a 270 degree heading at 8000 ft. Mia international was landing east. TCASII alerted us to 'traffic' and at our 10 O'clock position, I saw an air carrier Y regional jet climbing. They were talking to mia departure on a different frequency. This scenario is not uncommon in miami, but the traffic departing miami (usually heading approximately 300-330 degrees) normally levels off at 7000 ft until the 8000 ft traffic is west of their position. The air carrier Y 'rj' continued climbing. My TCASII alerted me with an RA to 'climb, climb.' it became obvious that air carrier Y was not going to level off at 7000 ft and I could see him visually climbing in front of my aircraft and through my altitude. I decided that obeying the TCASII and climbing my aircraft would be more dangerous than to maintain my altitude (because I would lose sight of air carrier Y). ATC never called the traffic to us, so I initiated a call to approach to let them know I had the traffic in sight, but was getting an RA. He paused, and then alerted me to 'traffic' at 2 O'clock position. After landing in miami, my company told me to call approach on the telephone. I did that and gave the supervisor my side of the story and he (in a rather unfriendly tone of voice) said he was looking into it and would get in touch with me if he needed to.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN ATR42 STOPPED DSNDING ON ARR AND STARTED CLBING IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA. HE THEN SIGHTED THE TARGET, A CL65, CLBING OUT AND STOPPED CLBING TO ASSURE SEPARATION.
Narrative: ACR X (FPO-MIA) ON NOV/MON/00. I WAS CAPT (AND THE PF) ON THE ATR42. WE WERE TALKING TO MIA APCH ON 124.85. THEY HAD JUST TURNED US TO A 270 DEG HDG AT 8000 FT. MIA INTL WAS LNDG E. TCASII ALERTED US TO 'TFC' AND AT OUR 10 O'CLOCK POS, I SAW AN ACR Y REGIONAL JET CLBING. THEY WERE TALKING TO MIA DEP ON A DIFFERENT FREQ. THIS SCENARIO IS NOT UNCOMMON IN MIAMI, BUT THE TFC DEPARTING MIAMI (USUALLY HEADING APPROX 300-330 DEGS) NORMALLY LEVELS OFF AT 7000 FT UNTIL THE 8000 FT TFC IS W OF THEIR POS. THE ACR Y 'RJ' CONTINUED CLBING. MY TCASII ALERTED ME WITH AN RA TO 'CLB, CLB.' IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT ACR Y WAS NOT GOING TO LEVEL OFF AT 7000 FT AND I COULD SEE HIM VISUALLY CLBING IN FRONT OF MY ACFT AND THROUGH MY ALT. I DECIDED THAT OBEYING THE TCASII AND CLBING MY ACFT WOULD BE MORE DANGEROUS THAN TO MAINTAIN MY ALT (BECAUSE I WOULD LOSE SIGHT OF ACR Y). ATC NEVER CALLED THE TFC TO US, SO I INITIATED A CALL TO APCH TO LET THEM KNOW I HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT, BUT WAS GETTING AN RA. HE PAUSED, AND THEN ALERTED ME TO 'TFC' AT 2 O'CLOCK POS. AFTER LNDG IN MIAMI, MY COMPANY TOLD ME TO CALL APCH ON THE TELEPHONE. I DID THAT AND GAVE THE SUPVR MY SIDE OF THE STORY AND HE (IN A RATHER UNFRIENDLY TONE OF VOICE) SAID HE WAS LOOKING INTO IT AND WOULD GET IN TOUCH WITH ME IF HE NEEDED TO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.