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Attributes | |
ACN | 499838 |
Time | |
Date | 200101 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll ground : taxi ground : holding ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle.tower |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : position and hold ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 499838 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
There were 3 aircraft holding on runway 28 in cle, short of runway 23L. An air carrier Y jet, us in a B737-700, and behind us another air carrier Z jet. The tower cleared the first aircraft to cross runway 23L and take off on runway 23R. He then cleared us to follow across runway 23L and position and hold on runway 23R, and then he cleared the aircraft behind us to cross runway 23L and hold short of runway 23R. This procedure is common in cle and is evidence that the tower is willing to compromise safety in order to move more traffic, as you may notice from looking at the airport diagram, there is not enough room for 3 aircraft on the west side of runway 23L. Also, if any of the 3 aircraft had to slow down or stop, we're going to foul both runways. A few months ago, I was in a similar incident and an aircraft had to execute a missed approach because 'the train' didn't make it across runway 23L in time. This is a dangerous procedure and it should be stopped.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR BELIEVES THE ATCT LCL CTLR AT CLE IS CROWDING ACFT PREPARING TO DEPART.
Narrative: THERE WERE 3 ACFT HOLDING ON RWY 28 IN CLE, SHORT OF RWY 23L. AN ACR Y JET, US IN A B737-700, AND BEHIND US ANOTHER ACR Z JET. THE TWR CLRED THE FIRST ACFT TO CROSS RWY 23L AND TAKE OFF ON RWY 23R. HE THEN CLRED US TO FOLLOW ACROSS RWY 23L AND POS AND HOLD ON RWY 23R, AND THEN HE CLRED THE ACFT BEHIND US TO CROSS RWY 23L AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 23R. THIS PROC IS COMMON IN CLE AND IS EVIDENCE THAT THE TWR IS WILLING TO COMPROMISE SAFETY IN ORDER TO MOVE MORE TFC, AS YOU MAY NOTICE FROM LOOKING AT THE ARPT DIAGRAM, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR 3 ACFT ON THE W SIDE OF RWY 23L. ALSO, IF ANY OF THE 3 ACFT HAD TO SLOW DOWN OR STOP, WE'RE GOING TO FOUL BOTH RWYS. A FEW MONTHS AGO, I WAS IN A SIMILAR INCIDENT AND AN ACFT HAD TO EXECUTE A MISSED APCH BECAUSE 'THE TRAIN' DIDN'T MAKE IT ACROSS RWY 23L IN TIME. THIS IS A DANGEROUS PROC AND IT SHOULD BE STOPPED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.