37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 508690 |
Time | |
Date | 200104 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1232 |
ASRS Report | 508690 |
Events | |
Anomaly | excursion : ramp incursion : taxiway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Airport |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During taxi out of alley at lax, we inadvertently crossed the ramp hold line without talking to ATC and were holding short of taxiway B. We were monitoring the ground controller's frequency after being passed off by metering. There were a lot of items going on at the time with the normal radio traffic for pushback/taxi plus I was concerned about whether we were taxiing in alley X or alley Y. As we approached the end of the alley, there was an airplane waiting to enter the alley on our right and construction to our left where taxiway ended. We apparently passed the ramp hold line without seeing it. A review of the airport charts doesn't reveal where the line between ramp and taxiway is. With no taxiway on our left and company aircraft on our right waiting to enter the alley, we thought we were still holding on the company ramp. While we were holding short of taxiway B, ATC called and told us we were on the taxiway already. We responded that we thought we were on the ramp, but then discovered we were already on taxiway X. Factors involved are task saturation, unfamiliarity with the airport and confusion over which alley our aircraft was parked in. Additionally, I did not have a clear idea of where the ramp ended and taxiway began. That entire area is concrete and not readily discernible as to taxiway delineations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TXWY INCURSION WHEN A B767 PIC FAILS TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY B WHEN HE BELIEVES THAT HE IS STILL ON THE COMPANY RAMP AREA AT LAX, CA.
Narrative: DURING TAXI OUT OF ALLEY AT LAX, WE INADVERTENTLY CROSSED THE RAMP HOLD LINE WITHOUT TALKING TO ATC AND WERE HOLDING SHORT OF TXWY B. WE WERE MONITORING THE GND CTLR'S FREQ AFTER BEING PASSED OFF BY METERING. THERE WERE A LOT OF ITEMS GOING ON AT THE TIME WITH THE NORMAL RADIO TFC FOR PUSHBACK/TAXI PLUS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER WE WERE TAXIING IN ALLEY X OR ALLEY Y. AS WE APCHED THE END OF THE ALLEY, THERE WAS AN AIRPLANE WAITING TO ENTER THE ALLEY ON OUR R AND CONSTRUCTION TO OUR L WHERE TXWY ENDED. WE APPARENTLY PASSED THE RAMP HOLD LINE WITHOUT SEEING IT. A REVIEW OF THE ARPT CHARTS DOESN'T REVEAL WHERE THE LINE BTWN RAMP AND TXWY IS. WITH NO TXWY ON OUR L AND COMPANY ACFT ON OUR R WAITING TO ENTER THE ALLEY, WE THOUGHT WE WERE STILL HOLDING ON THE COMPANY RAMP. WHILE WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF TXWY B, ATC CALLED AND TOLD US WE WERE ON THE TXWY ALREADY. WE RESPONDED THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE ON THE RAMP, BUT THEN DISCOVERED WE WERE ALREADY ON TXWY X. FACTORS INVOLVED ARE TASK SATURATION, UNFAMILIARITY WITH THE ARPT AND CONFUSION OVER WHICH ALLEY OUR ACFT WAS PARKED IN. ADDITIONALLY, I DID NOT HAVE A CLR IDEA OF WHERE THE RAMP ENDED AND TXWY BEGAN. THAT ENTIRE AREA IS CONCRETE AND NOT READILY DISCERNIBLE AS TO TXWY DELINEATIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.