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A-310 crew had runway incursion at lfpg at S1 on runway 8L because no hold short markings were detected.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 509984 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200104 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lfpg.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lfpg.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A310 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lfpg.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 700 |
| ASRS Report | 509984 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 509985 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert flight crew : executed go around none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : lfpg.tower |
| Airport | markings : lfpg.airport procedure or policy : lfpg.airport signage : lfpg.airport |
Narrative:
Crew was issued instructions to taxi to position S1 for runway 8L. No specific instructions were issued so we taxied via F - U - north - W2 - W1 - S1. We stopped short of runway 8L at S1, but saw no runway hold short markings. Tower had aircraft on final for runway 8L go around because they felt we were too close to runway. The txwys at cdg are some of the most confusing in the world. Ground controllers rarely issue detailed taxi instructions. You are expected to taxi on your own using taxi charts. Singage is limited and inadequate. There was no sign indicating runway 8L at S1.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A-310 CREW HAD RWY INCURSION AT LFPG AT S1 ON RWY 8L BECAUSE NO HOLD SHORT MARKINGS WERE DETECTED.
Narrative: CREW WAS ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS TO TAXI TO POSITION S1 FOR RWY 8L. NO SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS WERE ISSUED SO WE TAXIED VIA F - U - N - W2 - W1 - S1. WE STOPPED SHORT OF RWY 8L AT S1, BUT SAW NO RWY HOLD SHORT MARKINGS. TOWER HAD ACFT ON FINAL FOR RWY 8L GO AROUND BECAUSE THEY FELT WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO RWY. THE TXWYS AT CDG ARE SOME OF THE MOST CONFUSING IN THE WORLD. GROUND CONTROLLERS RARELY ISSUE DETAILED TAXI INSTRUCTIONS. YOU ARE EXPECTED TO TAXI ON YOUR OWN USING TAXI CHARTS. SINGAGE IS LIMITED AND INADEQUATE. THERE WAS NO SIGN INDICATING RWY 8L AT S1.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.