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Attributes | |
ACN | 511048 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lyn.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : roa.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : roa.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 511048 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were cleared after takeoff to fly runway heading 220 degrees, climb to 4000 ft MSL. After departure we were told to contact roa departure on frequency 135.00. We were told to watch for traffic 12 O'clock position heading sbound. Immediately after contacting roa approach, we were told to go direct bzm. We then received a TA (tcasi). We had a threat at 5 mi 800 ft above us descending. At about 3-5 mi we acquired the cessna visually. We were on a direct collision course. The first officer was PF. I ordered him to push the nose over and descend immediately. The cessna passed directly over the top of us. We cleared by 500 ft. There is no doubt in my mind that had we not initiated our descent when we did we would have hit the other aircraft. The cessna took no action at all, and I do not believe he was aware of our aircraft at all. When I informed roa departure, they told me there was nothing he could do about that. I realize they are not always in contact with VFR aircraft. I don't think controllers realize that a cessna is very hard to spot visually. It is pretty much impossible to acquire one further out than 5 mi. I think lyh needs better radar coverage so they can better separate IFR and VFR traffic. Roa telling me they can't do anything about that would not mean much if airplanes collide.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN E120 CREW WAS ALERTED BY A TCASII TA, THEN ACQUIRED THE ACFT VISUALLY.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED AFTER TKOF TO FLY RWY HDG 220 DEGS, CLB TO 4000 FT MSL. AFTER DEP WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT ROA DEP ON FREQ 135.00. WE WERE TOLD TO WATCH FOR TFC 12 O'CLOCK POS HDG SBOUND. IMMEDIATELY AFTER CONTACTING ROA APCH, WE WERE TOLD TO GO DIRECT BZM. WE THEN RECEIVED A TA (TCASI). WE HAD A THREAT AT 5 MI 800 FT ABOVE US DSNDING. AT ABOUT 3-5 MI WE ACQUIRED THE CESSNA VISUALLY. WE WERE ON A DIRECT COLLISION COURSE. THE FO WAS PF. I ORDERED HIM TO PUSH THE NOSE OVER AND DSND IMMEDIATELY. THE CESSNA PASSED DIRECTLY OVER THE TOP OF US. WE CLRED BY 500 FT. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT HAD WE NOT INITIATED OUR DSCNT WHEN WE DID WE WOULD HAVE HIT THE OTHER ACFT. THE CESSNA TOOK NO ACTION AT ALL, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE HE WAS AWARE OF OUR ACFT AT ALL. WHEN I INFORMED ROA DEP, THEY TOLD ME THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO ABOUT THAT. I REALIZE THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS IN CONTACT WITH VFR ACFT. I DON'T THINK CTLRS REALIZE THAT A CESSNA IS VERY HARD TO SPOT VISUALLY. IT IS PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO ACQUIRE ONE FURTHER OUT THAN 5 MI. I THINK LYH NEEDS BETTER RADAR COVERAGE SO THEY CAN BETTER SEPARATE IFR AND VFR TFC. ROA TELLING ME THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT WOULD NOT MEAN MUCH IF AIRPLANES COLLIDE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.