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Attributes | |
ACN | 512948 |
Time | |
Date | 200105 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : s67.airport |
State Reference | ID |
Altitude | msl single value : 3700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 850 |
ASRS Report | 512948 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 400 vertical : 20 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Proceeding wbound from boise, called 4 1/2 mi east of nampa and announced landing at nampa. Announced 1 1/2 mi east that I would pass over the field (windsock check) and enter a downwind at a 45 degree angle for runway 29. Call from cessna, 'going around.' no airport name. Caldwell, identification, 4 mi west, has same frequency. Call from another aircraft, 'turning downwind, nampa.' we looked for him and spotted him in pattern. Spotted shadow on runway, but couldn't locate position of plane. I announced 'nampa traffic, turning crosswind over the numbers 11.' spotted cessna approximately 400 ft behind me at 8 O'clock position at our altitude, approximately 3700 ft. I announced downwind, then base, then final, and landed. Went to gas pump while aircraft Y called short field landing nampa, then aircraft Y landed. I was approached by a woman at the pump and asked if I was PIC of this aircraft. I said yes. The woman idented herself as from the FAA FSDO and showed her identify. She asked me if I was familiar with the aim pattern entry procedures. I said 'yes' and explained entering downwind at 45 degrees and passing over the airport above pattern altitude. I said 'I believe those are suggested procedures.' I then asked if she heard my radio calls, 3 or 4 of them, announcing my position and intentions. My pass, a student pilot, asked why she was so high on a go around. She said she was giving a part 135 check ride and couldn't hear my radio calls due to a headset or speaker problem with the aircraft she was in. I said the pilot of the cessna did not announce which airport he was at. She said she could not hear his xmissions either, due to the same headset/speaker problem. She said she was going to ramp check me. She then told me she was going 'to stew' about this for a while, and that I may want to call her in a week. I interpreted that as to her ruling on the matter. I feel I could have been higher over the airport than I was and also could have inquired as to the exact location of the cessna. I also feel that a check ride pilot should have 2-WAY communication with other planes and with that of her pilot. If this pilot was under the hood at this time on the chkride, then who was looking for traffic based on the traffic calls?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LANCAIR INVOLVED IN NMAC AT S67, ID, WITH C182 DURING PATTERN ENTRY.
Narrative: PROCEEDING WBOUND FROM BOISE, CALLED 4 1/2 MI E OF NAMPA AND ANNOUNCED LNDG AT NAMPA. ANNOUNCED 1 1/2 MI E THAT I WOULD PASS OVER THE FIELD (WINDSOCK CHK) AND ENTER A DOWNWIND AT A 45 DEG ANGLE FOR RWY 29. CALL FROM CESSNA, 'GOING AROUND.' NO ARPT NAME. CALDWELL, ID, 4 MI W, HAS SAME FREQ. CALL FROM ANOTHER ACFT, 'TURNING DOWNWIND, NAMPA.' WE LOOKED FOR HIM AND SPOTTED HIM IN PATTERN. SPOTTED SHADOW ON RWY, BUT COULDN'T LOCATE POS OF PLANE. I ANNOUNCED 'NAMPA TFC, TURNING XWIND OVER THE NUMBERS 11.' SPOTTED CESSNA APPROX 400 FT BEHIND ME AT 8 O'CLOCK POS AT OUR ALT, APPROX 3700 FT. I ANNOUNCED DOWNWIND, THEN BASE, THEN FINAL, AND LANDED. WENT TO GAS PUMP WHILE ACFT Y CALLED SHORT FIELD LNDG NAMPA, THEN ACFT Y LANDED. I WAS APCHED BY A WOMAN AT THE PUMP AND ASKED IF I WAS PIC OF THIS ACFT. I SAID YES. THE WOMAN IDENTED HERSELF AS FROM THE FAA FSDO AND SHOWED HER IDENT. SHE ASKED ME IF I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE AIM PATTERN ENTRY PROCS. I SAID 'YES' AND EXPLAINED ENTERING DOWNWIND AT 45 DEGS AND PASSING OVER THE ARPT ABOVE PATTERN ALT. I SAID 'I BELIEVE THOSE ARE SUGGESTED PROCS.' I THEN ASKED IF SHE HEARD MY RADIO CALLS, 3 OR 4 OF THEM, ANNOUNCING MY POS AND INTENTIONS. MY PASS, A STUDENT PLT, ASKED WHY SHE WAS SO HIGH ON A GAR. SHE SAID SHE WAS GIVING A PART 135 CHK RIDE AND COULDN'T HEAR MY RADIO CALLS DUE TO A HEADSET OR SPEAKER PROB WITH THE ACFT SHE WAS IN. I SAID THE PLT OF THE CESSNA DID NOT ANNOUNCE WHICH ARPT HE WAS AT. SHE SAID SHE COULD NOT HEAR HIS XMISSIONS EITHER, DUE TO THE SAME HEADSET/SPEAKER PROB. SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO RAMP CHK ME. SHE THEN TOLD ME SHE WAS GOING 'TO STEW' ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE, AND THAT I MAY WANT TO CALL HER IN A WK. I INTERPED THAT AS TO HER RULING ON THE MATTER. I FEEL I COULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER OVER THE ARPT THAN I WAS AND ALSO COULD HAVE INQUIRED AS TO THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE CESSNA. I ALSO FEEL THAT A CHK RIDE PLT SHOULD HAVE 2-WAY COM WITH OTHER PLANES AND WITH THAT OF HER PLT. IF THIS PLT WAS UNDER THE HOOD AT THIS TIME ON THE CHKRIDE, THEN WHO WAS LOOKING FOR TFC BASED ON THE TFC CALLS?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.