An small aircraft training flight CFI stops her aircraft near the edge of a grass strip runway which...

Attributes
ACN	515690
Time
Date	200106
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
State Reference	MI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : apf.tower
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 130
ASRS Report	515690
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : cfi
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Miss Distance	horizontal : 100 vertical : 200
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

When we were approaching the airport from the south about 10 mi, I was monitoring the unicom frequency. Not hearing anyone, my other CFI on board in the back seat reminded me that michigan is 1 hour ahead of us, and it was XA00 our time so they were probably closed already. So we circled the airport to the north so we could enter at the 45 degree to the downwind for runway 4. We got about 5 mi north and made the announcement we were 5 mi to the north inbound for runway 4. Around the same time we heard someone say he was, I believe, about 5 mi south. That's all, never said he was inbound or passing to the south -- just that he was there. So we proceeded inbound, announced the downwind, base, and final for runway 4. None of us -- myself, my student (whom I was giving some high performance time) or the other CFI in the back seat row heard anyone in or around the pattern. Landing without incident, taxied clear onto the parallel taxiway back to runway 4. My student, who was not used to such a heavy plane with stiff rudders, was having some difficulty keeping it straight, but since the airport appeared to be dead, I let her continue to try and get a better feel for this type of plane. As we taxied down, we still did not see or hear anyone. We also did not see any signs for the crossing grass strip. The student decided she would let the other CFI fly home. We were at what appeared was the end of the taxiway. After looking but still not seeing anyone, pulled off to change pilots. And, as we were climbing out of the plane, a crop duster (white) flew over our heads by maybe 200 ft then he did a very steep turn to the left and came back down and landed. I'm not even sure if it was a paved runway or grass strip or what he landed on. He taxied over to us as we were trying to start our plane. He said something we don't know what. We apologized but said we did not hear or see him. He taxied over to a nearby hangar and we departed. We did look as we approached the grass strip but perhaps if there had been more signs, we would have looked more and perhaps saw the other aircraft that we never heard.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN SMA TRAINING FLT CFI STOPS HER ACFT NEAR THE EDGE OF A GRASS STRIP RWY WHICH WAS AN INTENDED LNDG RWY FOR AN UNANNOUNCED CROP DUSTER THAT BUZZED THEM PRIOR TO LNDG AT 0D1, MI.

Narrative: WHEN WE WERE APCHING THE ARPT FROM THE S ABOUT 10 MI, I WAS MONITORING THE UNICOM FREQ. NOT HEARING ANYONE, MY OTHER CFI ON BOARD IN THE BACK SEAT REMINDED ME THAT MICHIGAN IS 1 HR AHEAD OF US, AND IT WAS XA00 OUR TIME SO THEY WERE PROBABLY CLOSED ALREADY. SO WE CIRCLED THE ARPT TO THE N SO WE COULD ENTER AT THE 45 DEG TO THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 4. WE GOT ABOUT 5 MI N AND MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT WE WERE 5 MI TO THE N INBOUND FOR RWY 4. AROUND THE SAME TIME WE HEARD SOMEONE SAY HE WAS, I BELIEVE, ABOUT 5 MI S. THAT'S ALL, NEVER SAID HE WAS INBOUND OR PASSING TO THE S -- JUST THAT HE WAS THERE. SO WE PROCEEDED INBOUND, ANNOUNCED THE DOWNWIND, BASE, AND FINAL FOR RWY 4. NONE OF US -- MYSELF, MY STUDENT (WHOM I WAS GIVING SOME HIGH PERFORMANCE TIME) OR THE OTHER CFI IN THE BACK SEAT ROW HEARD ANYONE IN OR AROUND THE PATTERN. LNDG WITHOUT INCIDENT, TAXIED CLR ONTO THE PARALLEL TXWY BACK TO RWY 4. MY STUDENT, WHO WAS NOT USED TO SUCH A HVY PLANE WITH STIFF RUDDERS, WAS HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY KEEPING IT STRAIGHT, BUT SINCE THE ARPT APPEARED TO BE DEAD, I LET HER CONTINUE TO TRY AND GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THIS TYPE OF PLANE. AS WE TAXIED DOWN, WE STILL DID NOT SEE OR HEAR ANYONE. WE ALSO DID NOT SEE ANY SIGNS FOR THE XING GRASS STRIP. THE STUDENT DECIDED SHE WOULD LET THE OTHER CFI FLY HOME. WE WERE AT WHAT APPEARED WAS THE END OF THE TXWY. AFTER LOOKING BUT STILL NOT SEEING ANYONE, PULLED OFF TO CHANGE PLTS. AND, AS WE WERE CLBING OUT OF THE PLANE, A CROP DUSTER (WHITE) FLEW OVER OUR HEADS BY MAYBE 200 FT THEN HE DID A VERY STEEP TURN TO THE L AND CAME BACK DOWN AND LANDED. I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT WAS A PAVED RWY OR GRASS STRIP OR WHAT HE LANDED ON. HE TAXIED OVER TO US AS WE WERE TRYING TO START OUR PLANE. HE SAID SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT. WE APOLOGIZED BUT SAID WE DID NOT HEAR OR SEE HIM. HE TAXIED OVER TO A NEARBY HANGAR AND WE DEPARTED. WE DID LOOK AS WE APCHED THE GRASS STRIP BUT PERHAPS IF THERE HAD BEEN MORE SIGNS, WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED MORE AND PERHAPS SAW THE OTHER ACFT THAT WE NEVER HEARD.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An small aircraft training flight CFI stops her aircraft near the edge of a grass strip runway which was an intended landing runway for an unannounced crop duster that buzzed them prior to landing at 0d1, mi.