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Attributes | |
ACN | 518364 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zhu.artcc |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 35500 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 13000 |
ASRS Report | 518364 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 517452 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
This event arose because the sector controller was not satisfied with our rate of climb and we wanted to help. At about FL310 the rate of climb was steady at 1000-1200 FPM because we had just departed iah and the aircraft was heavy. We were cleared to FL370 by the previous controller. Checking our computed performance our maximum altitude capability was FL372. There was very little leeway in our climb capability. We were asked what our rate of climb was and we stated 1000-1200 FPM. The controller stated 'not good enough, need to do better.' we were not advised of any traffic problems at that time. With the autoplt engaged, the first officer selected vertical speed and caused our rate of climb to increase to about 1800-2000 FPM by trading off some airspeed for a faster rate of climb. We were trading optimum climb airspeed for altitude and approaching our minimum slow speed for climb. Passing FL360 the FMC dropped out of 'vertical speed and reverted to a speed mode.' the first officer disconnected the autoplt and pitched the nose over to regain some of the airspeed lost in the expedited climb. We lost 500 ft altitude to about FL355 and quickly leveled off at FL360 and increased airspeed more suitable for the rest of the climb to FL370 at a much slower rate of climb. The controller asked us our altitude, then told us that we should have told him we were descending. We replied that we were leveling off at FL360, so that we could accelerate. At FL360 we were then advised to turn right 90 degrees as the controller also advised another aircraft to turn 90 degrees the opposite direction. Checking the TCASII, I observed another aircraft in excess of 20 mi at FL350. In my opinion, there was not a conflict with the other aircraft. I believe we were trying to be good pilots and help ATC in an expeditious climb to altitude. In hindsight, with a heavy aircraft, I will not attempt to expedite a climb. I feel that the controller should have stated that he had a conflict and restr us to a lower altitude since we were not climbing as fast as he would have liked. We were not aware of the other aircraft until the controller turned us off the airway and I checked the TCASII. That target was well outside the alerting perimeters of the TCASII. The rest of the flight was uneventful. Supplemental information from acn 517452: aircraft was climbing out of houston en route to carracas, venezuela. Passing FL310, ATC queried us about rate of climb. We stated we were doing approximately 1000 FPM. Controller stated we have to do better than that. We then proceeded to increase rate of climb to 1500-1800 FPM. Passing through FL355 the autoplt leveled off aircraft momentarily to regain airspeed. At that point ATC asked us our rate of climb. He then told us we had opposite direction traffic and gave us a 90 degree turn off course. The conflicting traffic was also given a 90 degree turn. Observing the TCASII the conflicting aircraft appeared to be 20 mi away at the closest point. In retrospect, we should have told ATC that the aircraft was very heavy and that 1000 FPM was the best we could do for rate of climb. This would have allowed ATC to plan ahead a little more and would have precluded any sense of urgency on his part. A traffic call to us would also have given us some orientation to the conflict traffic. The conflict aircraft was non radar which also contributed to the problems.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-800 CREW DID NOT CLB AS FAST AS WANTED IN ZHU CLASS A AIRSPACE.
Narrative: THIS EVENT AROSE BECAUSE THE SECTOR CTLR WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH OUR RATE OF CLB AND WE WANTED TO HELP. AT ABOUT FL310 THE RATE OF CLB WAS STEADY AT 1000-1200 FPM BECAUSE WE HAD JUST DEPARTED IAH AND THE ACFT WAS HVY. WE WERE CLRED TO FL370 BY THE PREVIOUS CTLR. CHKING OUR COMPUTED PERFORMANCE OUR MAX ALT CAPABILITY WAS FL372. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE LEEWAY IN OUR CLB CAPABILITY. WE WERE ASKED WHAT OUR RATE OF CLB WAS AND WE STATED 1000-1200 FPM. THE CTLR STATED 'NOT GOOD ENOUGH, NEED TO DO BETTER.' WE WERE NOT ADVISED OF ANY TFC PROBS AT THAT TIME. WITH THE AUTOPLT ENGAGED, THE FO SELECTED VERT SPD AND CAUSED OUR RATE OF CLB TO INCREASE TO ABOUT 1800-2000 FPM BY TRADING OFF SOME AIRSPD FOR A FASTER RATE OF CLB. WE WERE TRADING OPTIMUM CLB AIRSPD FOR ALT AND APCHING OUR MINIMUM SLOW SPD FOR CLB. PASSING FL360 THE FMC DROPPED OUT OF 'VERT SPD AND REVERTED TO A SPD MODE.' THE FO DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND PITCHED THE NOSE OVER TO REGAIN SOME OF THE AIRSPD LOST IN THE EXPEDITED CLB. WE LOST 500 FT ALT TO ABOUT FL355 AND QUICKLY LEVELED OFF AT FL360 AND INCREASED AIRSPD MORE SUITABLE FOR THE REST OF THE CLB TO FL370 AT A MUCH SLOWER RATE OF CLB. THE CTLR ASKED US OUR ALT, THEN TOLD US THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM WE WERE DSNDING. WE REPLIED THAT WE WERE LEVELING OFF AT FL360, SO THAT WE COULD ACCELERATE. AT FL360 WE WERE THEN ADVISED TO TURN R 90 DEGS AS THE CTLR ALSO ADVISED ANOTHER ACFT TO TURN 90 DEGS THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. CHKING THE TCASII, I OBSERVED ANOTHER ACFT IN EXCESS OF 20 MI AT FL350. IN MY OPINION, THERE WAS NOT A CONFLICT WITH THE OTHER ACFT. I BELIEVE WE WERE TRYING TO BE GOOD PLTS AND HELP ATC IN AN EXPEDITIOUS CLB TO ALT. IN HINDSIGHT, WITH A HVY ACFT, I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO EXPEDITE A CLB. I FEEL THAT THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE STATED THAT HE HAD A CONFLICT AND RESTR US TO A LOWER ALT SINCE WE WERE NOT CLBING AS FAST AS HE WOULD HAVE LIKED. WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THE OTHER ACFT UNTIL THE CTLR TURNED US OFF THE AIRWAY AND I CHKED THE TCASII. THAT TARGET WAS WELL OUTSIDE THE ALERTING PERIMETERS OF THE TCASII. THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 517452: ACFT WAS CLBING OUT OF HOUSTON ENRTE TO CARRACAS, VENEZUELA. PASSING FL310, ATC QUERIED US ABOUT RATE OF CLB. WE STATED WE WERE DOING APPROX 1000 FPM. CTLR STATED WE HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THAT. WE THEN PROCEEDED TO INCREASE RATE OF CLB TO 1500-1800 FPM. PASSING THROUGH FL355 THE AUTOPLT LEVELED OFF ACFT MOMENTARILY TO REGAIN AIRSPD. AT THAT POINT ATC ASKED US OUR RATE OF CLB. HE THEN TOLD US WE HAD OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC AND GAVE US A 90 DEG TURN OFF COURSE. THE CONFLICTING TFC WAS ALSO GIVEN A 90 DEG TURN. OBSERVING THE TCASII THE CONFLICTING ACFT APPEARED TO BE 20 MI AWAY AT THE CLOSEST POINT. IN RETROSPECT, WE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ATC THAT THE ACFT WAS VERY HVY AND THAT 1000 FPM WAS THE BEST WE COULD DO FOR RATE OF CLB. THIS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED ATC TO PLAN AHEAD A LITTLE MORE AND WOULD HAVE PRECLUDED ANY SENSE OF URGENCY ON HIS PART. A TFC CALL TO US WOULD ALSO HAVE GIVEN US SOME ORIENTATION TO THE CONFLICT TFC. THE CONFLICT ACFT WAS NON RADAR WHICH ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROBS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.