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Attributes | |
ACN | 519496 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 325 flight time total : 4600 flight time type : 325 |
ASRS Report | 519496 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 800 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 519286 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were on downwind for runway 24R at lax airport approximately 5000 ft AGL. Lax approach control said we had traffic at 1-2 O'clock, a saab, descending for runway 24R at lax. We told las approach that we had traffic in sight, and were told to follow the traffic for the visual runway 24R. Lax approach then asked us to begin our base turn. Having the traffic ahead in sight, we complied with the request. During the turn, lax told us to switch to runway 24L at lax. The captain asked me to dial in the runway 24L localizer frequency. (We had the runway 24R localizer frequency and VOR in both radios). I dialed in the runway 24L localizer frequency for the captain, but when I looked up I had lost sight of the traffic ahead. Immediately, we realized the runway 24L localizer frequency was not working, upon which the captain asked me to redial the VOR frequency. So I redialed the VOR frequency and switched it to the active radio. Upon looking up (after so much heads down time) I had lost sight of the airport and the traffic ahead. I told the captain aloud that I didn't see the airport or the traffic. He said he had the traffic in sight. We continued our right turn toward the airport. Almost as I got the VOR frequency dialed in, the captain said 'I have the airport,' and I agreed. As we continued the turn toward runway 24L, with an aircraft ahead in sight, the captain said 'we have traffic over there' (pointed to 1 O'clock position). I immediately saw the aircraft. I looked at the TCASII and it showed the target approximately 1/2 mi, 1000 ft below us. We seemed to be on parallel courses. Lax approach told us to contact lax tower. I contacted lax tower and told them we had the traffic in sight. He said we were cleared to land runway 24L. Just to confirm I asked 'did you clear us to land runway 24L?' lax tower confirmed 'you are cleared to land runway 24L,' followed closely by a request to the saab landing on runway 24R to slow to minimum approach speed. We passed the saab on a 1/2 - 1 mi final. The landing and taxi in were normal. However, while taxiing in, we noticed a saab and jet stream that landed before us holding on the taxiway. Seeing these aircraft got the captain and me wondering if we really had been following the aircraft that approach control had intended. Contributing factors: 1) ATIS was calling 7 mi visibility. In the afternoon haze in lax, in-flight visibility was probably 3-4 mi. 2) asked to do a visual following a small commuter plane of which there were several in the local area. 3) originally planned visual to runway 24R changing to runway 24L caused heads down time to change navigation radios. (Had to change from runway 24R localizer frequency to runway 24L localizer frequency to VOR frequency because runway 24L localizer wasn't turned on. 4) not having a clear visual on airport. Solely following aircraft ahead.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE ON VISUAL APCH TO LAX RWY 24L, B737 CREW ADVISED THEY HAD SAAB TFC IN SIGHT FOR RWY 24R. LNDG SIDE BY WITH THE SAAB, THE CREW NOTICED A SECOND SAAB HOLDING TO CROSS THEIR RWY AND WONDERED IF THEY HAD SPOTTED THE CORRECT ACFT.
Narrative: WE WERE ON DOWNWIND FOR RWY 24R AT LAX ARPT APPROX 5000 FT AGL. LAX APCH CTL SAID WE HAD TFC AT 1-2 O'CLOCK, A SAAB, DSNDING FOR RWY 24R AT LAX. WE TOLD LAS APCH THAT WE HAD TFC IN SIGHT, AND WERE TOLD TO FOLLOW THE TFC FOR THE VISUAL RWY 24R. LAX APCH THEN ASKED US TO BEGIN OUR BASE TURN. HAVING THE TFC AHEAD IN SIGHT, WE COMPLIED WITH THE REQUEST. DURING THE TURN, LAX TOLD US TO SWITCH TO RWY 24L AT LAX. THE CAPT ASKED ME TO DIAL IN THE RWY 24L LOC FREQ. (WE HAD THE RWY 24R LOC FREQ AND VOR IN BOTH RADIOS). I DIALED IN THE RWY 24L LOC FREQ FOR THE CAPT, BUT WHEN I LOOKED UP I HAD LOST SIGHT OF THE TFC AHEAD. IMMEDIATELY, WE REALIZED THE RWY 24L LOC FREQ WAS NOT WORKING, UPON WHICH THE CAPT ASKED ME TO REDIAL THE VOR FREQ. SO I REDIALED THE VOR FREQ AND SWITCHED IT TO THE ACTIVE RADIO. UPON LOOKING UP (AFTER SO MUCH HEADS DOWN TIME) I HAD LOST SIGHT OF THE ARPT AND THE TFC AHEAD. I TOLD THE CAPT ALOUD THAT I DIDN'T SEE THE ARPT OR THE TFC. HE SAID HE HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT. WE CONTINUED OUR R TURN TOWARD THE ARPT. ALMOST AS I GOT THE VOR FREQ DIALED IN, THE CAPT SAID 'I HAVE THE ARPT,' AND I AGREED. AS WE CONTINUED THE TURN TOWARD RWY 24L, WITH AN ACFT AHEAD IN SIGHT, THE CAPT SAID 'WE HAVE TFC OVER THERE' (POINTED TO 1 O'CLOCK POS). I IMMEDIATELY SAW THE ACFT. I LOOKED AT THE TCASII AND IT SHOWED THE TARGET APPROX 1/2 MI, 1000 FT BELOW US. WE SEEMED TO BE ON PARALLEL COURSES. LAX APCH TOLD US TO CONTACT LAX TWR. I CONTACTED LAX TWR AND TOLD THEM WE HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT. HE SAID WE WERE CLRED TO LAND RWY 24L. JUST TO CONFIRM I ASKED 'DID YOU CLR US TO LAND RWY 24L?' LAX TWR CONFIRMED 'YOU ARE CLRED TO LAND RWY 24L,' FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY A REQUEST TO THE SAAB LNDG ON RWY 24R TO SLOW TO MINIMUM APCH SPD. WE PASSED THE SAAB ON A 1/2 - 1 MI FINAL. THE LNDG AND TAXI IN WERE NORMAL. HOWEVER, WHILE TAXIING IN, WE NOTICED A SAAB AND JET STREAM THAT LANDED BEFORE US HOLDING ON THE TXWY. SEEING THESE ACFT GOT THE CAPT AND ME WONDERING IF WE REALLY HAD BEEN FOLLOWING THE ACFT THAT APCH CTL HAD INTENDED. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) ATIS WAS CALLING 7 MI VISIBILITY. IN THE AFTERNOON HAZE IN LAX, INFLT VISIBILITY WAS PROBABLY 3-4 MI. 2) ASKED TO DO A VISUAL FOLLOWING A SMALL COMMUTER PLANE OF WHICH THERE WERE SEVERAL IN THE LCL AREA. 3) ORIGINALLY PLANNED VISUAL TO RWY 24R CHANGING TO RWY 24L CAUSED HEADS DOWN TIME TO CHANGE NAV RADIOS. (HAD TO CHANGE FROM RWY 24R LOC FREQ TO RWY 24L LOC FREQ TO VOR FREQ BECAUSE RWY 24L LOC WASN'T TURNED ON. 4) NOT HAVING A CLR VISUAL ON ARPT. SOLELY FOLLOWING ACFT AHEAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.