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Attributes | |
ACN | 519497 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lrd.vortac |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | military facility : nqi.milfac |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | T45 (or T2C) Goshawk |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | military facility : nqi.milfac |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | T45 (or T2C) Goshawk |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 519497 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : exit conflict : nmac inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight of 2 T45 trainers crossed the kings 1 MOA southern boundary. Kingsville approach attempted radio warning with no transmission heard by lead or wing regarding MOA spill out. PIC notified after landing that got dangerously close to civil aircraft and lrd 128 degree radial, 23 DME. Told civil aircraft saw T45 aircraft, took evasive action (descent). This is simply pilot error. Some type of warning transmission that can be heard by aircraft in that location would be helpful. Neither lead nor wing were aware of any potential conflict with another aircraft until after landing. I believe several warning xmissions were made, but could not be heard due to lack of power in the kingsville approach control radio transmitters. Contributing factors (albeit small) were WX, twring cumulus, and student solo as wingman.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT OF 2 MIL T45 ACFT HAD SPILLOUT FROM MOA AND HAD NMAC WITH PA28.
Narrative: FLT OF 2 T45 TRAINERS CROSSED THE KINGS 1 MOA SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. KINGSVILLE APCH ATTEMPTED RADIO WARNING WITH NO XMISSION HEARD BY LEAD OR WING REGARDING MOA SPILL OUT. PIC NOTIFIED AFTER LNDG THAT GOT DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO CIVIL ACFT AND LRD 128 DEG RADIAL, 23 DME. TOLD CIVIL ACFT SAW T45 ACFT, TOOK EVASIVE ACTION (DSCNT). THIS IS SIMPLY PLT ERROR. SOME TYPE OF WARNING XMISSION THAT CAN BE HEARD BY ACFT IN THAT LOCATION WOULD BE HELPFUL. NEITHER LEAD NOR WING WERE AWARE OF ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER ACFT UNTIL AFTER LNDG. I BELIEVE SEVERAL WARNING XMISSIONS WERE MADE, BUT COULD NOT BE HEARD DUE TO LACK OF PWR IN THE KINGSVILLE APCH CTL RADIO XMITTERS. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS (ALBEIT SMALL) WERE WX, TWRING CUMULUS, AND STUDENT SOLO AS WINGMAN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.