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Attributes | |
ACN | 522436 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : nesto |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl single value : 21000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc artcc : zdc.artcc tracon : ind.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3750 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 522436 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed gso en route to pit on IFR flight plan. Pit was VMC. En route, ZDC advised us to slow to anticipate a hold. ZOB later advised us to hold southeast of pleez intersection at FL210 and gave an efc. Although captain was PF, he asked me to fly while he attempted to contact flight control for alternate and concurrence with bug out fuel. Captain put hold in FMS and I concurred. Hold was entered and after a while, ATC asked if we missed the hold. Entry was reported and ATC advised they wanted us holding east of a radial. To prevent sits such as this, specific holding instructions could be given or merely hold 'as published.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: E145 FLC ISSUED HOLDING BY ZOB AND HOLD ON WRONG SIDE OF INTXN.
Narrative: DEPARTED GSO ENRTE TO PIT ON IFR FLT PLAN. PIT WAS VMC. ENRTE, ZDC ADVISED US TO SLOW TO ANTICIPATE A HOLD. ZOB LATER ADVISED US TO HOLD SE OF PLEEZ INTXN AT FL210 AND GAVE AN EFC. ALTHOUGH CAPT WAS PF, HE ASKED ME TO FLY WHILE HE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT FLT CTL FOR ALTERNATE AND CONCURRENCE WITH BUG OUT FUEL. CAPT PUT HOLD IN FMS AND I CONCURRED. HOLD WAS ENTERED AND AFTER A WHILE, ATC ASKED IF WE MISSED THE HOLD. ENTRY WAS RPTED AND ATC ADVISED THEY WANTED US HOLDING E OF A RADIAL. TO PREVENT SITS SUCH AS THIS, SPECIFIC HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS COULD BE GIVEN OR MERELY HOLD 'AS PUBLISHED.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.