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Attributes | |
ACN | 526609 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 215 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 7350 |
ASRS Report | 526609 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 178 flight time total : 2550 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 525534 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : taxiway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Landing by first officer on runway 27R, while still on landing rollout (120-100 KTS), tower issues instructions to exit taxiway 'C'... We were in process of getting ready to xfer aircraft control to me (captain) and did not clearly understand tower instructions, except 'turn left on charlie.' I immediately took aircraft control and applied more braking since 'C' exit was coming up fast. Taking 'C' exit (45-60 KTS), tower again said continue...all very fast. I knew I had to taxi enough to clear tail of runway, which I did, then began left turn when told to change to a ground frequency who began to tell us that we were not to turn but go on taxiway B, that we were told twice by tower, so aircraft landing behind us could also clear on 'C.' 1) we were still 'flying the aircraft' when instructions were issued at 100 KTS. 2) crew swapping jobs early because tower wanted us to turn early on 7900 ft runway. 3) #1 priority to clear tail in runway. #2 priority to slow aircraft for 90 degree turns, 10 KTS. 4) we're on visual approach, so aircraft behind us should have slowed down increasing spacing. 5) no hold short of runway in use. If we had used 500 ft more, tower might have sent aircraft go around spacing much too tight! 6) aircraft behind us was a DC9 turned down 'taxiway C' behind us, no real close encounter. Was easier to stop than our 400000 pound aircraft! No taxi instructions until aircraft clear of runway. Supplemental information from acn 525534: neither I or the captain processed or acknowledged these instructions, as we were at that time discussing whether we would plan an exit at the high speed or advise tower we would be using full length. The tower controller was very concerned with closely spaced landing traffic behind us. The controller again issued turn-off instructions at approximately 60 KTS stating 'turn left at taxiway C, keep rolling and go to ground.' at this point we were still doing SOP flows for terminating reverse thrust with airspeed callouts, and xferring aircraft control. I then read back these instructions, we cleared at taxiway C immediately and went to ground. The captain chose to turn left toward our ramp, vice right onto taxiway B. They then stated that not continuing after clearing the runway 'could create a dangerous situation.' aircraft should be able to expect to complete the landing phase before getting urgent and lengthy taxi instructions. Sending an aircraft around should be a secondary concern.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 FLC ASSUMES DIRECTION OF TURN ONTO TXWY EXITING RWY AND IS CHALLENGED BY ORD GND CTL AS TURNING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
Narrative: LNDG BY FO ON RWY 27R, WHILE STILL ON LNDG ROLLOUT (120-100 KTS), TWR ISSUES INSTRUCTIONS TO EXIT TXWY 'C'... WE WERE IN PROCESS OF GETTING READY TO XFER ACFT CTL TO ME (CAPT) AND DID NOT CLRLY UNDERSTAND TWR INSTRUCTIONS, EXCEPT 'TURN L ON CHARLIE.' I IMMEDIATELY TOOK ACFT CTL AND APPLIED MORE BRAKING SINCE 'C' EXIT WAS COMING UP FAST. TAKING 'C' EXIT (45-60 KTS), TWR AGAIN SAID CONTINUE...ALL VERY FAST. I KNEW I HAD TO TAXI ENOUGH TO CLR TAIL OF RWY, WHICH I DID, THEN BEGAN L TURN WHEN TOLD TO CHANGE TO A GND FREQ WHO BEGAN TO TELL US THAT WE WERE NOT TO TURN BUT GO ON TXWY B, THAT WE WERE TOLD TWICE BY TWR, SO ACFT LNDG BEHIND US COULD ALSO CLR ON 'C.' 1) WE WERE STILL 'FLYING THE ACFT' WHEN INSTRUCTIONS WERE ISSUED AT 100 KTS. 2) CREW SWAPPING JOBS EARLY BECAUSE TWR WANTED US TO TURN EARLY ON 7900 FT RWY. 3) #1 PRIORITY TO CLR TAIL IN RWY. #2 PRIORITY TO SLOW ACFT FOR 90 DEG TURNS, 10 KTS. 4) WE'RE ON VISUAL APCH, SO ACFT BEHIND US SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN INCREASING SPACING. 5) NO HOLD SHORT OF RWY IN USE. IF WE HAD USED 500 FT MORE, TWR MIGHT HAVE SENT ACFT GO AROUND SPACING MUCH TOO TIGHT! 6) ACFT BEHIND US WAS A DC9 TURNED DOWN 'TXWY C' BEHIND US, NO REAL CLOSE ENCOUNTER. WAS EASIER TO STOP THAN OUR 400000 LB ACFT! NO TAXI INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL ACFT CLR OF RWY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 525534: NEITHER I OR THE CAPT PROCESSED OR ACKNOWLEDGED THESE INSTRUCTIONS, AS WE WERE AT THAT TIME DISCUSSING WHETHER WE WOULD PLAN AN EXIT AT THE HIGH SPD OR ADVISE TWR WE WOULD BE USING FULL LENGTH. THE TWR CTLR WAS VERY CONCERNED WITH CLOSELY SPACED LNDG TFC BEHIND US. THE CTLR AGAIN ISSUED TURN-OFF INSTRUCTIONS AT APPROX 60 KTS STATING 'TURN L AT TXWY C, KEEP ROLLING AND GO TO GND.' AT THIS POINT WE WERE STILL DOING SOP FLOWS FOR TERMINATING REVERSE THRUST WITH AIRSPD CALLOUTS, AND XFERRING ACFT CTL. I THEN READ BACK THESE INSTRUCTIONS, WE CLRED AT TXWY C IMMEDIATELY AND WENT TO GND. THE CAPT CHOSE TO TURN L TOWARD OUR RAMP, VICE R ONTO TXWY B. THEY THEN STATED THAT NOT CONTINUING AFTER CLRING THE RWY 'COULD CREATE A DANGEROUS SIT.' ACFT SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT TO COMPLETE THE LNDG PHASE BEFORE GETTING URGENT AND LENGTHY TAXI INSTRUCTIONS. SENDING AN ACFT AROUND SHOULD BE A SECONDARY CONCERN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.