A C172 instructor and student violated restr airspace.

Attributes
ACN	529260
Time
Date	200111
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : zzz.bcstn
State Reference	US
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : zzz.tracon
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 170
ASRS Report	529260
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure FAA ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

While on an IFR part 91 training flight with a student, we were vectored into a tfr. My student did not ask for fdc NOTAMS during his briefing from FSS, so I asked the ATC if he knew if it was still valid. He said 'not to my knowledge.' in a briefing for a flight later that day I asked FSS if the tfr was still active and he said it was. Cause: student not asking for fdc NOTAMS. Instructor (me) not checking if tfr was still active. ATC mis-informed that tfr was not active. Instructor taking ATC's word that it was not. To prevent: get fdc NOTAMS at all briefings. Better inform ATC of tfr in their areas.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A C172 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT VIOLATED RESTR AIRSPACE.

Narrative: WHILE ON AN IFR PART 91 TRAINING FLT WITH A STUDENT, WE WERE VECTORED INTO A TFR. MY STUDENT DID NOT ASK FOR FDC NOTAMS DURING HIS BRIEFING FROM FSS, SO I ASKED THE ATC IF HE KNEW IF IT WAS STILL VALID. HE SAID 'NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.' IN A BRIEFING FOR A FLT LATER THAT DAY I ASKED FSS IF THE TFR WAS STILL ACTIVE AND HE SAID IT WAS. CAUSE: STUDENT NOT ASKING FOR FDC NOTAMS. INSTRUCTOR (ME) NOT CHKING IF TFR WAS STILL ACTIVE. ATC MIS-INFORMED THAT TFR WAS NOT ACTIVE. INSTRUCTOR TAKING ATC'S WORD THAT IT WAS NOT. TO PREVENT: GET FDC NOTAMS AT ALL BRIEFINGS. BETTER INFORM ATC OF TFR IN THEIR AREAS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.