DC9 crew may have missed hold line during taxi to runway 23 at cyyz.

Attributes
ACN	532424
Time
Date	200112
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cyyz.airport
State Reference	ON
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	532424
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Taxi to runway 23 for takeoff. We were taxiing from central deice pad to runway 23 via txwys east and H. As you head north on taxiway H, it apparently ends at taxiway Q, or makes a 60 degree left turn to the approach end of runway 23 (I am still not sure). As we called tower ready for takeoff, tower informed us we needed special permission to use runway 23 full length for departure as we had taxied onto taxiway Q and this encroaches into runway 23 safety zone. I had stopped short of runway 23 at the corner as I did not see any hold short lines and believed they were still in front of me. There was no traffic conflict as we were #1 for takeoff and runway 23 was not being used for lndgs. I missed the sign for taxiway H and taxiway Q intersection, if there is one. There are several areas of cyyz that have confusing signage and this is one that needs immediate attention. (Could also be result of lighting inoperative on signs.)

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DC9 CREW MAY HAVE MISSED HOLD LINE DURING TAXI TO RWY 23 AT CYYZ.

Narrative: TAXI TO RWY 23 FOR TKOF. WE WERE TAXIING FROM CENTRAL DEICE PAD TO RWY 23 VIA TXWYS E AND H. AS YOU HEAD N ON TXWY H, IT APPARENTLY ENDS AT TXWY Q, OR MAKES A 60 DEG L TURN TO THE APCH END OF RWY 23 (I AM STILL NOT SURE). AS WE CALLED TWR READY FOR TKOF, TWR INFORMED US WE NEEDED SPECIAL PERMISSION TO USE RWY 23 FULL LENGTH FOR DEP AS WE HAD TAXIED ONTO TXWY Q AND THIS ENCROACHES INTO RWY 23 SAFETY ZONE. I HAD STOPPED SHORT OF RWY 23 AT THE CORNER AS I DID NOT SEE ANY HOLD SHORT LINES AND BELIEVED THEY WERE STILL IN FRONT OF ME. THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT AS WE WERE #1 FOR TKOF AND RWY 23 WAS NOT BEING USED FOR LNDGS. I MISSED THE SIGN FOR TXWY H AND TXWY Q INTXN, IF THERE IS ONE. THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS OF CYYZ THAT HAVE CONFUSING SIGNAGE AND THIS IS ONE THAT NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTN. (COULD ALSO BE RESULT OF LIGHTING INOP ON SIGNS.)

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.