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Attributes | |
ACN | 536932 |
Time | |
Date | 200202 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tlh.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tlh.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time type : 275 |
ASRS Report | 536932 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 5 ctlr final |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
En route to szw VOR descending to 11000 ft, we received the instruction to 'turn left heading 160 degrees, descend and maintain 7000 ft, vectors for the ILS runway 27 at tlh.' I initiated the turn as the first officer asked if the altitude was 7000 ft. I replied 7000 ft but per the company procedures when a discrepancy occurs, I had him verify the altitude. We were told to 'turn left heading 160 degrees, descend and maintain 8000 ft.' then we were told to contact tlh approach. We received a clearance to 5000 ft. Approaching the localizer course and not on an intercept heading, I had the first officer ask approach for a turn. Their acknowledgement was 'who?' as if they had had no exchange with us. Then we believe we were told to contact tlh approach on another frequency. The response was 'we have been trying to contact you for the last 20-30 mi.' we were then given vectors to rejoin the localizer and made an uneventful landing. Discussing the situation with the first officer afterwards, we tried to recollect the sequence of events and determine where and when the error was made. He and I were in firm agreement that the error had to be on the part of the controller. We considered the situation to where we may not have selected the xfer switch but neither of us had touched the audio panel since the initial contact with approach control. Also, the first officer had pre-selected the tower frequency in the standby box. I telephoned approach control once on the ground. He mentioned that they were training a new controller. However, neither of us was certain where an error occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 CREW ON A VECTOR TO TLH FOR AN ILS TO RWY 27 CIRCLE TO RWY 18 ARE SWITCHED TO THE WRONG FREQ FOR TURN ON TO LOC.
Narrative: ENRTE TO SZW VOR DSNDING TO 11000 FT, WE RECEIVED THE INSTRUCTION TO 'TURN L HEADING 160 DEGS, DSND AND MAINTAIN 7000 FT, VECTORS FOR THE ILS RWY 27 AT TLH.' I INITIATED THE TURN AS THE FO ASKED IF THE ALT WAS 7000 FT. I REPLIED 7000 FT BUT PER THE COMPANY PROCS WHEN A DISCREPANCY OCCURS, I HAD HIM VERIFY THE ALT. WE WERE TOLD TO 'TURN L HEADING 160 DEGS, DSND AND MAINTAIN 8000 FT.' THEN WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT TLH APCH. WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO 5000 FT. APCHING THE LOC COURSE AND NOT ON AN INTERCEPT HEADING, I HAD THE FO ASK APCH FOR A TURN. THEIR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WAS 'WHO?' AS IF THEY HAD HAD NO EXCHANGE WITH US. THEN WE BELIEVE WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT TLH APCH ON ANOTHER FREQ. THE RESPONSE WAS 'WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT YOU FOR THE LAST 20-30 MI.' WE WERE THEN GIVEN VECTORS TO REJOIN THE LOC AND MADE AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG. DISCUSSING THE SIT WITH THE FO AFTERWARDS, WE TRIED TO RECOLLECT THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AND DETERMINE WHERE AND WHEN THE ERROR WAS MADE. HE AND I WERE IN FIRM AGREEMENT THAT THE ERROR HAD TO BE ON THE PART OF THE CTLR. WE CONSIDERED THE SIT TO WHERE WE MAY NOT HAVE SELECTED THE XFER SWITCH BUT NEITHER OF US HAD TOUCHED THE AUDIO PANEL SINCE THE INITIAL CONTACT WITH APCH CTL. ALSO, THE FO HAD PRE-SELECTED THE TWR FREQ IN THE STANDBY BOX. I TELEPHONED APCH CTL ONCE ON THE GND. HE MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE TRAINING A NEW CTLR. HOWEVER, NEITHER OF US WAS CERTAIN WHERE AN ERROR OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.