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Attributes | |
ACN | 540326 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : aun.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 33 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure other enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | observation : passenger |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 540326 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Early on the morning of mar/sat/02, I called FSS for a briefing for an IFR flight from aun to tcc. I was not the pilot on this leg, but still called for the brief and filed the flight plan as the pilot. I had chosen the VOR automatic routing via duats. This would give us the preferred route over the sierra nevada mountains. The aircraft was a C33 beech debonair. Our routing consisted of approximately 25 waypoints consisting of vors and intxns. The briefer was uninterested in the full flight plan. He asked for the routing, I gave him the highlights using vors. I asked if he wanted the full flight plan, he responded 'they'll figure it out.' I knew my route would go in our flight plan of our GPS and we would be accurate as to routing. When I called for the clearance, it was from a cell phone at the tail of the aircraft. The pilot was already on board ready for start-up. We could not enter the flight plan into our radio prior to calling for clearance in case of changes by ATC. I received 'cleared as filed.' we also got a void time of about 12 mins. Quickly boarding, starting and taxi to the runway was done. We aborted due to a door not being completely latched. Taxi back for mid field and departing without haste, we were airborne. I called sacramento for departure radar and was immediately told we were past our void time. We received a harsh lecture as to the reason for voids and I finally asked if we should return to aun. We were severe clear with no clouds and no traffic in our area. Had this controller been busy, he would have had no time for this unnecessary chatter. At that point, he started changing our clearance to a route that put us at 14000 ft and different routing and navaids. We were turned far north of our desired route, east then south for no obvious reason other than hassle to us. Our routing was given with more changes than we could easily comply. I am not sure we were ever on the route we were supposed to be on. ATC needs to understand that if we're cleared as filed, we are prepared to fly that route. Pilots can be given waypoints different from researched prior to flight that are difficult to find while airborne. We believe we were just being played with. If they have preferred routing, we should be given that data prior to flight in our clearance so it can be studied.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE33 PLT DEPARTED ARPT AFTER THE CLRNC VOID TIME AT AUN.
Narrative: EARLY ON THE MORNING OF MAR/SAT/02, I CALLED FSS FOR A BRIEFING FOR AN IFR FLT FROM AUN TO TCC. I WAS NOT THE PLT ON THIS LEG, BUT STILL CALLED FOR THE BRIEF AND FILED THE FLT PLAN AS THE PLT. I HAD CHOSEN THE VOR AUTOMATIC ROUTING VIA DUATS. THIS WOULD GIVE US THE PREFERRED RTE OVER THE SIERRA NEVADA MOUNTAINS. THE ACFT WAS A C33 BEECH DEBONAIR. OUR ROUTING CONSISTED OF APPROX 25 WAYPOINTS CONSISTING OF VORS AND INTXNS. THE BRIEFER WAS UNINTERESTED IN THE FULL FLT PLAN. HE ASKED FOR THE ROUTING, I GAVE HIM THE HIGHLIGHTS USING VORS. I ASKED IF HE WANTED THE FULL FLT PLAN, HE RESPONDED 'THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.' I KNEW MY RTE WOULD GO IN OUR FLT PLAN OF OUR GPS AND WE WOULD BE ACCURATE AS TO ROUTING. WHEN I CALLED FOR THE CLRNC, IT WAS FROM A CELL PHONE AT THE TAIL OF THE ACFT. THE PLT WAS ALREADY ON BOARD READY FOR START-UP. WE COULD NOT ENTER THE FLT PLAN INTO OUR RADIO PRIOR TO CALLING FOR CLRNC IN CASE OF CHANGES BY ATC. I RECEIVED 'CLRED AS FILED.' WE ALSO GOT A VOID TIME OF ABOUT 12 MINS. QUICKLY BOARDING, STARTING AND TAXI TO THE RWY WAS DONE. WE ABORTED DUE TO A DOOR NOT BEING COMPLETELY LATCHED. TAXI BACK FOR MID FIELD AND DEPARTING WITHOUT HASTE, WE WERE AIRBORNE. I CALLED SACRAMENTO FOR DEP RADAR AND WAS IMMEDIATELY TOLD WE WERE PAST OUR VOID TIME. WE RECEIVED A HARSH LECTURE AS TO THE REASON FOR VOIDS AND I FINALLY ASKED IF WE SHOULD RETURN TO AUN. WE WERE SEVERE CLR WITH NO CLOUDS AND NO TFC IN OUR AREA. HAD THIS CTLR BEEN BUSY, HE WOULD HAVE HAD NO TIME FOR THIS UNNECESSARY CHATTER. AT THAT POINT, HE STARTED CHANGING OUR CLRNC TO A RTE THAT PUT US AT 14000 FT AND DIFFERENT ROUTING AND NAVAIDS. WE WERE TURNED FAR N OF OUR DESIRED RTE, E THEN S FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON OTHER THAN HASSLE TO US. OUR ROUTING WAS GIVEN WITH MORE CHANGES THAN WE COULD EASILY COMPLY. I AM NOT SURE WE WERE EVER ON THE RTE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON. ATC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE'RE CLRED AS FILED, WE ARE PREPARED TO FLY THAT RTE. PLTS CAN BE GIVEN WAYPOINTS DIFFERENT FROM RESEARCHED PRIOR TO FLT THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO FIND WHILE AIRBORNE. WE BELIEVE WE WERE JUST BEING PLAYED WITH. IF THEY HAVE PREFERRED ROUTING, WE SHOULD BE GIVEN THAT DATA PRIOR TO FLT IN OUR CLRNC SO IT CAN BE STUDIED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.