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B767 crew was told to fly the ILS to runway 17R at sdf. The next controller questioned why they were not flying the ILS to runway 17L.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 540867 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200203 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sdf.airport |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sdf.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 17r other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 540867 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
On initial call to sdf approach control, air carrier airplanes relay which ramp we are going to and the controller at that time tells us what runway to expect. We were going to ramp X and told to expect ILS runway 17R. That same controller instructed us to depart iiu VOR on a 340 degree heading for ILS runway 17R. The next controller vectored us to a 200 degree heading to intercept the 'localizer' and cleared for the approach. When on the localizer he asked us which runway we were going to as we were lined up for the right. We responded that was correct and he said we were supposed to be going to runway 17L. Neither of us ever heard runway 17L mentioned. We were told to expect ILS runway 17R and to our knowledge never told anything different. I think controllers should say 'turn to...heading and intercept the localizer for ILS...runway' every time they issue an approach clearance. They should say which localizer especially with parallel runways.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 CREW WAS TOLD TO FLY THE ILS TO RWY 17R AT SDF. THE NEXT CTLR QUESTIONED WHY THEY WERE NOT FLYING THE ILS TO RWY 17L.
Narrative: ON INITIAL CALL TO SDF APCH CTL, ACR AIRPLANES RELAY WHICH RAMP WE ARE GOING TO AND THE CTLR AT THAT TIME TELLS US WHAT RWY TO EXPECT. WE WERE GOING TO RAMP X AND TOLD TO EXPECT ILS RWY 17R. THAT SAME CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO DEPART IIU VOR ON A 340 DEG HDG FOR ILS RWY 17R. THE NEXT CTLR VECTORED US TO A 200 DEG HDG TO INTERCEPT THE 'LOC' AND CLRED FOR THE APCH. WHEN ON THE LOC HE ASKED US WHICH RWY WE WERE GOING TO AS WE WERE LINED UP FOR THE R. WE RESPONDED THAT WAS CORRECT AND HE SAID WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO RWY 17L. NEITHER OF US EVER HEARD RWY 17L MENTIONED. WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT ILS RWY 17R AND TO OUR KNOWLEDGE NEVER TOLD ANYTHING DIFFERENT. I THINK CTLRS SHOULD SAY 'TURN TO...HEADING AND INTERCEPT THE LOC FOR ILS...RWY' EVERY TIME THEY ISSUE AN APCH CLRNC. THEY SHOULD SAY WHICH LOC ESPECIALLY WITH PARALLEL RWYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.