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Attributes | |
ACN | 546020 |
Time | |
Date | 200205 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : gij.vortac |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl single value : 14200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 69 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 522 |
ASRS Report | 546020 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : separated traffic flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
East of gij, ZAU told me to descend to 13000 ft. Sometime during the descent, I was told to go to ZOB and did so. After checking in with ZOB and informing him I was descending to 13000 ft, the controller asked my rate of descent. I told him it was 2100 FPM and he told me to 'maintain fifteen.' I answered, 'roger, maintain fifteen.' I thought he meant 15000 FPM and it didn't occur to me that he might mean one five thousand. I guess it was because he had just asked my rate of descent and the use of fifteen instead of one-five. I should have asked for verification. I assumed the change in rate of descent was for traffic and, of course, this has occurred many times before. At about 14200 ft, the controller asked me if I received the altitude and at this point I don't recall how the altitude was said and before I could answer he gave me a climb to 15000 ft which I initiated then he changed that to a descent to 11000 ft which I began immediately. He also told me to expedite. He told the other aircraft to expedite to FL190. I believe the other aircraft was an air carrier flight, but I don't know the type. The air carrier called me in sight, but I never saw him. This is my best recollection of the event. I normally verify questionable clrncs with ATC, but in this case my perception was a change of rate of descent instead of altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TURBOPROP CAPT MISINTERPED DSCNT CLRNC RESULTING IN OVERSHOOTING ASSIGNED INTERMEDIATE DSCNT ALT AND A CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER ACFT.
Narrative: E OF GIJ, ZAU TOLD ME TO DSND TO 13000 FT. SOMETIME DURING THE DSCNT, I WAS TOLD TO GO TO ZOB AND DID SO. AFTER CHKING IN WITH ZOB AND INFORMING HIM I WAS DSNDING TO 13000 FT, THE CTLR ASKED MY RATE OF DSCNT. I TOLD HIM IT WAS 2100 FPM AND HE TOLD ME TO 'MAINTAIN FIFTEEN.' I ANSWERED, 'ROGER, MAINTAIN FIFTEEN.' I THOUGHT HE MEANT 15000 FPM AND IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT HE MIGHT MEAN ONE FIVE THOUSAND. I GUESS IT WAS BECAUSE HE HAD JUST ASKED MY RATE OF DSCNT AND THE USE OF FIFTEEN INSTEAD OF ONE-FIVE. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR VERIFICATION. I ASSUMED THE CHANGE IN RATE OF DSCNT WAS FOR TFC AND, OF COURSE, THIS HAS OCCURRED MANY TIMES BEFORE. AT ABOUT 14200 FT, THE CTLR ASKED ME IF I RECEIVED THE ALT AND AT THIS POINT I DON'T RECALL HOW THE ALT WAS SAID AND BEFORE I COULD ANSWER HE GAVE ME A CLB TO 15000 FT WHICH I INITIATED THEN HE CHANGED THAT TO A DSCNT TO 11000 FT WHICH I BEGAN IMMEDIATELY. HE ALSO TOLD ME TO EXPEDITE. HE TOLD THE OTHER ACFT TO EXPEDITE TO FL190. I BELIEVE THE OTHER ACFT WAS AN ACR FLT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE TYPE. THE ACR CALLED ME IN SIGHT, BUT I NEVER SAW HIM. THIS IS MY BEST RECOLLECTION OF THE EVENT. I NORMALLY VERIFY QUESTIONABLE CLRNCS WITH ATC, BUT IN THIS CASE MY PERCEPTION WAS A CHANGE OF RATE OF DSCNT INSTEAD OF ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.