A109 helicopter pilot advised after landing of ny ADIZ violation. Problem with multiple flight plans...

Attributes
ACN	577491
Time
Date	200303
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : jfk.vor
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl single value : 2500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	A109
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 5100 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	577491
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	other personnel
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : n90.tracon

Narrative:

This morning, I departed mnv VFR en route to hpn. The WX was good VFR with unlimited visibility. The previous evening I called millville FSS to get an up to date briefing on the current flight restrs around nyc and along my route of flight. The briefer gave what I thought was a thorough briefing. He recommended I file four VFR ADIZ flight plans to cover my flight XA00Z to hpn, XB00Z to 39N, XI00 to GH5, XI30 to mnv. The first two legs were backed up with IFR flight plans. The briefer instructed me to contact ATC once airborne to retrieve my discrete squawk as morristown tower did not start operations until XB45Z. Once airborne, I tried ny TRACON on 127.6 with no reply, then 119.2, also with no reply. I then tried 120.4. The controller informed me to try 127.6 again which I did with no success. I then went back to 120.4 and he informed that I should try the 119.2 frequency. Again, I had no joy. Because from past experience, it is very hard to raise ny TRACON at these early hours when the tower is closed. I then returned to the controller on 120.4 who gave me a 360 degree heading to fly while he got my squawk. By this time, I had reached 2500 ft MSL and was about 8 miles north of morristown airport. The controller then told me to turn heading of 090 degrees -- I believe -- and informed me that I was to be violated for entering the ny ADIZ. As stated earlier, I could not get hold of ny TRACON on the published frequencies, let alone on the ground before take off. On landing at white plains airport, I contacted the number the ny TRACON controller gave me. This controller informed me there was an '800 number' to call to get a discrete squawk before take off if the tower is closed. At no time did millville FSS give me the '800 number.' having flown in the nyc area for fifteen years, I feel reasonably confident working with it's system, but I can only do what I am told by FSS. If I don't receive all the pertinent data, on the almost daily changes to the flight restrs in this area, it is very hard to be incompliance.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A109 HELI PLT ADVISED AFTER LNDG OF NY ADIZ VIOLATION. PROB WITH MULTIPLE FLT PLANS ENCOURAGED BY FSS AND FILED AND CORRECT N90 FREQ DURING EARLY MORNING OPS.

Narrative: THIS MORNING, I DEPARTED MNV VFR ENRTE TO HPN. THE WX WAS GOOD VFR WITH UNLIMITED VISIBILITY. THE PREVIOUS EVENING I CALLED MILLVILLE FSS TO GET AN UP TO DATE BRIEFING ON THE CURRENT FLT RESTRS AROUND NYC AND ALONG MY RTE OF FLT. THE BRIEFER GAVE WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A THOROUGH BRIEFING. HE RECOMMENDED I FILE FOUR VFR ADIZ FLT PLANS TO COVER MY FLT XA00Z TO HPN, XB00Z TO 39N, XI00 TO GH5, XI30 TO MNV. THE FIRST TWO LEGS WERE BACKED UP WITH IFR FLT PLANS. THE BRIEFER INSTRUCTED ME TO CONTACT ATC ONCE AIRBORNE TO RETRIEVE MY DISCRETE SQUAWK AS MORRISTOWN TWR DID NOT START OPS UNTIL XB45Z. ONCE AIRBORNE, I TRIED NY TRACON ON 127.6 WITH NO REPLY, THEN 119.2, ALSO WITH NO REPLY. I THEN TRIED 120.4. THE CTLR INFORMED ME TO TRY 127.6 AGAIN WHICH I DID WITH NO SUCCESS. I THEN WENT BACK TO 120.4 AND HE INFORMED THAT I SHOULD TRY THE 119.2 FREQUENCY. AGAIN, I HAD NO JOY. BECAUSE FROM PAST EXPERIENCE, IT IS VERY HARD TO RAISE NY TRACON AT THESE EARLY HOURS WHEN THE TWR IS CLOSED. I THEN RETURNED TO THE CTLR ON 120.4 WHO GAVE ME A 360 DEG HDG TO FLY WHILE HE GOT MY SQUAWK. BY THIS TIME, I HAD REACHED 2500 FT MSL AND WAS ABOUT 8 MILES N OF MORRISTOWN ARPT. THE CTLR THEN TOLD ME TO TURN HDG OF 090 DEGS -- I BELIEVE -- AND INFORMED ME THAT I WAS TO BE VIOLATED FOR ENTERING THE NY ADIZ. AS STATED EARLIER, I COULD NOT GET HOLD OF NY TRACON ON THE PUBLISHED FREQUENCIES, LET ALONE ON THE GND BEFORE TAKE OFF. ON LNDG AT WHITE PLAINS ARPT, I CONTACTED THE NUMBER THE NY TRACON CTLR GAVE ME. THIS CTLR INFORMED ME THERE WAS AN '800 NUMBER' TO CALL TO GET A DISCRETE SQUAWK BEFORE TAKE OFF IF THE TWR IS CLOSED. AT NO TIME DID MILLVILLE FSS GIVE ME THE '800 NUMBER.' HAVING FLOWN IN THE NYC AREA FOR FIFTEEN YEARS, I FEEL REASONABLY CONFIDENT WORKING WITH IT'S SYSTEM, BUT I CAN ONLY DO WHAT I AM TOLD BY FSS. IF I DON'T RECEIVE ALL THE PERTINENT DATA, ON THE ALMOST DAILY CHANGES TO THE FLT RESTRS IN THIS AREA, IT IS VERY HARD TO BE INCOMPLIANCE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A109 helicopter pilot advised after landing of ny ADIZ violation. Problem with multiple flight plans encouraged by FSS and filed and correct N90 frequency during early morning operations.