B737 taxiing for departure at las crossed runway hold line. Eventually was able to advise las tower,...

Attributes
ACN	582505
Time
Date	200305
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : las.airport
State Reference	NV
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : sjc.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-700
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : position and hold ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : las.tower
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 6000
ASRS Report	582505
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error

Narrative:

Holding short of runway 19L at taxiway D, we received clearance into position and hold. We repeated the clearance, and began to taxi. After a few seconds, the tower said, 'air carrier X hold short of the runway' and cleared a private jet for takeoff from the opposite side of the runway. We immediately stopped the aircraft, but we were past the hold short line approximately 15 ft. We made several attempts to relay this information to the tower, but kept getting stepped on. The radios were very busy. We finally got through to the tower and told them that they had cleared us into position, then rescinded the clearance, but not in time for us to stop short of the hold short line. We also said that we were past the line about 15 ft. The tower then said, 'no problem, just remain clear of the runway,' and they cleared another aircraft to land. After this arrival, we were cleared for takeoff and departed las vegas. I think what probably happened was that the tower never heard our acceptance of the 'into position and hold' clearance, so they decided to let another aircraft depart in front of us but waited too long to tell us to remain holding short. Whatever the reason, the tower indicated to us that we had done nothing wrong. So, I feel that there was no far violation on our part, but there was a procedural deviation simply because of the fact that one aircraft departed and one landed while we were past the hold short line.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B737 TAXIING FOR DEP AT LAS CROSSED RWY HOLD LINE. EVENTUALLY WAS ABLE TO ADVISE LAS TWR, WHO CONTINUED TO ISSUE A LNDG AND DEP CLRNC.

Narrative: HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 19L AT TXWY D, WE RECEIVED CLRNC INTO POS AND HOLD. WE REPEATED THE CLRNC, AND BEGAN TO TAXI. AFTER A FEW SECONDS, THE TWR SAID, 'ACR X HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY' AND CLRED A PVT JET FOR TKOF FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE RWY. WE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED THE ACFT, BUT WE WERE PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE APPROX 15 FT. WE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO RELAY THIS INFO TO THE TWR, BUT KEPT GETTING STEPPED ON. THE RADIOS WERE VERY BUSY. WE FINALLY GOT THROUGH TO THE TWR AND TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAD CLRED US INTO POS, THEN RESCINDED THE CLRNC, BUT NOT IN TIME FOR US TO STOP SHORT OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE. WE ALSO SAID THAT WE WERE PAST THE LINE ABOUT 15 FT. THE TWR THEN SAID, 'NO PROB, JUST REMAIN CLR OF THE RWY,' AND THEY CLRED ANOTHER ACFT TO LAND. AFTER THIS ARR, WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF AND DEPARTED LAS VEGAS. I THINK WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENED WAS THAT THE TWR NEVER HEARD OUR ACCEPTANCE OF THE 'INTO POS AND HOLD' CLRNC, SO THEY DECIDED TO LET ANOTHER ACFT DEPART IN FRONT OF US BUT WAITED TOO LONG TO TELL US TO REMAIN HOLDING SHORT. WHATEVER THE REASON, THE TWR INDICATED TO US THAT WE HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG. SO, I FEEL THAT THERE WAS NO FAR VIOLATION ON OUR PART, BUT THERE WAS A PROCEDURAL DEV SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ONE ACFT DEPARTED AND ONE LANDED WHILE WE WERE PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

B737 taxiing for departure at las crossed runway hold line. Eventually was able to advise las tower, who continued to issue a landing and departure clearance.