Instructor pilot and student penetrate a tfr area near fort worth, tx, resulting in an admonishment ...

Attributes
ACN	603702
Time
Date	200312
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : d10.tracon
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl single value : 2500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : d10.tracon
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	603702
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Prior to takeoff, I called FSS and asked about tfr's. FSS said texas christian university (tcu) area from surface to 3000 ft AGL was active (3 NM). After takeoff to north, I stayed in pattern and did a low approach. I departed to southwest and called regional approach. I used call sign 'cessna XXXX.' regional approach asked type of aircraft. After center did not respond (5 mins), I called back and used correct call sign 'cessna YYYY.' I was given a transponder code. I was about 7 mi east of downtown ft worth and flew over ft worth. I proceeded south and thought I was 3 mi east of tcu. I canceled flight following but used the wrong call sign. After landing at 9f9 regional approach called via phone and asked if I knew I went into the tcu area. I asked if they had tcu's coordinates. They did not, nor did ft worth FSS. Pilots cannot avoid areas not plotted on charts. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated he was conducting flight instruction when the incursion into the restr area occurred. Reporter said he was very familiar with the area and believes he may have entered the area just briefly when returning to land at 9f9.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT AND STUDENT PENETRATE A TFR AREA NEAR FORT WORTH, TX, RESULTING IN AN ADMONISHMENT BY ATC.

Narrative: PRIOR TO TKOF, I CALLED FSS AND ASKED ABOUT TFR'S. FSS SAID TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY (TCU) AREA FROM SURFACE TO 3000 FT AGL WAS ACTIVE (3 NM). AFTER TKOF TO N, I STAYED IN PATTERN AND DID A LOW APCH. I DEPARTED TO SW AND CALLED REGIONAL APCH. I USED CALL SIGN 'CESSNA XXXX.' REGIONAL APCH ASKED TYPE OF ACFT. AFTER CTR DID NOT RESPOND (5 MINS), I CALLED BACK AND USED CORRECT CALL SIGN 'CESSNA YYYY.' I WAS GIVEN A XPONDER CODE. I WAS ABOUT 7 MI E OF DOWNTOWN FT WORTH AND FLEW OVER FT WORTH. I PROCEEDED S AND THOUGHT I WAS 3 MI E OF TCU. I CANCELED FLT FOLLOWING BUT USED THE WRONG CALL SIGN. AFTER LNDG AT 9F9 REGIONAL APCH CALLED VIA PHONE AND ASKED IF I KNEW I WENT INTO THE TCU AREA. I ASKED IF THEY HAD TCU'S COORDINATES. THEY DID NOT, NOR DID FT WORTH FSS. PLTS CANNOT AVOID AREAS NOT PLOTTED ON CHARTS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED HE WAS CONDUCTING FLT INSTRUCTION WHEN THE INCURSION INTO THE RESTR AREA OCCURRED. RPTR SAID HE WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND BELIEVES HE MAY HAVE ENTERED THE AREA JUST BRIEFLY WHEN RETURNING TO LAND AT 9F9.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Instructor pilot and student penetrate a tfr area near fort worth, tx, resulting in an admonishment by ATC.