C560 departed from msp, taxied past ILS hold line following traffic.

Attributes
ACN	607275
Time
Date	200402
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : msp.airport
State Reference	MN
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Weather Elements	Snow
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation Excel
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : msp.tower
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Gates Learjet Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 700
ASRS Report	607275
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

Msp ground control used nonstandard phraseology in issuing taxi instructions to a lear and to us as we were departing the FBO ramp for a runway 30L takeoff. The frequency was very busy with many blocked xmissions. Runway 30L was closed for snow removal at that time. The taxi instructions that we (and the learjet) heard were to the effect, 'taxi W5, west, ILS hold past W3, hold short runway 30L.' as the learjet was ahead of us, we observed the lear taxi past the W3 intersection, past the ILS hold line, to full length of runway 30L. As per our understood taxi instructions, we went past the W3 intersection, and held short of the ILS hold for runway 30L. Ground control then remarked that we had both gone past our hold point and we needed resequencing on the other side of the runway. Just as the runway was opening, as the plows and sanders were clearing, we and the lear were given instructions to cross and resequence (the lear got lost again). No further contact or further remarks after by ground, tower, etc. Problems encountered: nonstandard phraseology, very busy, congested frequency, readback/hearback errors, no ILS high speed markings on charts.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: C560 DEPARTED FROM MSP, TAXIED PAST ILS HOLD LINE FOLLOWING TFC.

Narrative: MSP GND CTL USED NONSTANDARD PHRASEOLOGY IN ISSUING TAXI INSTRUCTIONS TO A LEAR AND TO US AS WE WERE DEPARTING THE FBO RAMP FOR A RWY 30L TKOF. THE FREQ WAS VERY BUSY WITH MANY BLOCKED XMISSIONS. RWY 30L WAS CLOSED FOR SNOW REMOVAL AT THAT TIME. THE TAXI INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE (AND THE LEARJET) HEARD WERE TO THE EFFECT, 'TAXI W5, W, ILS HOLD PAST W3, HOLD SHORT RWY 30L.' AS THE LEARJET WAS AHEAD OF US, WE OBSERVED THE LEAR TAXI PAST THE W3 INTXN, PAST THE ILS HOLD LINE, TO FULL LENGTH OF RWY 30L. AS PER OUR UNDERSTOOD TAXI INSTRUCTIONS, WE WENT PAST THE W3 INTXN, AND HELD SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD FOR RWY 30L. GND CTL THEN REMARKED THAT WE HAD BOTH GONE PAST OUR HOLD POINT AND WE NEEDED RESEQUENCING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RWY. JUST AS THE RWY WAS OPENING, AS THE PLOWS AND SANDERS WERE CLRING, WE AND THE LEAR WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO CROSS AND RESEQUENCE (THE LEAR GOT LOST AGAIN). NO FURTHER CONTACT OR FURTHER REMARKS AFTER BY GND, TWR, ETC. PROBS ENCOUNTERED: NONSTANDARD PHRASEOLOGY, VERY BUSY, CONGESTED FREQ, READBACK/HEARBACK ERRORS, NO ILS HIGH SPD MARKINGS ON CHARTS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.