Runway incursion by a C172 training flight at det, mi.

Attributes
ACN	614362
Time
Date	200404
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : det.airport
State Reference	MI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	614362
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On approach to det, ATIS reported winds from 030 degrees at 16 KTS and runway 33 in use. On base to final, I asked for a wind check and was told the winds were 060 degrees at 20 KTS (a 20 KT direct crosswind). We informed the controller we were going around and would like runway 7, which was approved. We landed on runway 7 and taxied back for another pattern. After landing a second time on runway 7, the controller issued our taxi clearance 'skyhawk, turn right when able, taxi to runway 33.' on rollout, we were unable to stop before crossing the runway 33 hold line on runway 7, and the first right we were able to make was runway 33. We turned onto runway 33, back-taxied to taxiway J, made a right turn on taxiway J, and taxied past the hold short lines on taxiway J for runway 33. We then made a 120 degree turn and held short for our takeoff clearance. Though not specifically cleared to taxi on runway 33 (the active by ATIS), the controller implied we could by his taxi clearance. To avoid this potential conflict in the future, I should query the controller and get a specific clearance.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RWY INCURSION BY A C172 TRAINING FLT AT DET, MI.

Narrative: ON APCH TO DET, ATIS RPTED WINDS FROM 030 DEGS AT 16 KTS AND RWY 33 IN USE. ON BASE TO FINAL, I ASKED FOR A WIND CHK AND WAS TOLD THE WINDS WERE 060 DEGS AT 20 KTS (A 20 KT DIRECT XWIND). WE INFORMED THE CTLR WE WERE GOING AROUND AND WOULD LIKE RWY 7, WHICH WAS APPROVED. WE LANDED ON RWY 7 AND TAXIED BACK FOR ANOTHER PATTERN. AFTER LNDG A SECOND TIME ON RWY 7, THE CTLR ISSUED OUR TAXI CLRNC 'SKYHAWK, TURN R WHEN ABLE, TAXI TO RWY 33.' ON ROLLOUT, WE WERE UNABLE TO STOP BEFORE XING THE RWY 33 HOLD LINE ON RWY 7, AND THE FIRST R WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE WAS RWY 33. WE TURNED ONTO RWY 33, BACK-TAXIED TO TXWY J, MADE A R TURN ON TXWY J, AND TAXIED PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINES ON TXWY J FOR RWY 33. WE THEN MADE A 120 DEG TURN AND HELD SHORT FOR OUR TKOF CLRNC. THOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY CLRED TO TAXI ON RWY 33 (THE ACTIVE BY ATIS), THE CTLR IMPLIED WE COULD BY HIS TAXI CLRNC. TO AVOID THIS POTENTIAL CONFLICT IN THE FUTURE, I SHOULD QUERY THE CTLR AND GET A SPECIFIC CLRNC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.